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TheFied
250+ posts
06/25/07 01:12 AM
ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt?

I have heard that these guys will spray on a layer of dillo dirt compost. Anyone use this? How much for ~0.2 acre lot? I can call them, we use them for chem-free spraying but seeing if people liked it.




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mishatx
2500+ posts
06/25/07 01:58 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

I used them a few years ago. It was ok. Something like $350, which was about the same as the cost of buying the same amount of dirt in bags at HD and spreading it myself.

I didn't do much for the yard, but it was great for the trees.

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TheFied
250+ posts
06/25/07 01:44 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

So, I am better off just using some more Ladybug 824? I put some on in mid April and am about to put some more down in early July.




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Jellydonuts
250+ posts
06/25/07 03:37 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Compost has much greater benefits than you willl get from the fertilizer. If you put it down in April, you should not need any more (it won't hurt it, since you are using organic). For that size of lawn, you should be able to get about eight bags of good compost ($40-50) and spread it yourself. I have used dillo dirt and it worked very well; however, I would still recommend Revitalizer.




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TheFied
250+ posts
06/25/07 04:12 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Link to the "revitalizer"?

Do I spread it by hand or can I use a fertilizing broadcaster? Or too clumpy?




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mishatx
2500+ posts
06/25/07 04:20 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Revitalizer is the lady bug brand of compost. The Link

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Jellydonuts
250+ posts
06/25/07 04:23 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Sorry, I don't have a link. It is made by Ladybug, just like the 8-2-4 you referenced. I spread it by hand. I typically do two or three applications a year and nothing else. It will fertilze and aerate your lawn.




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TheFied
250+ posts
06/25/07 07:01 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

link

I just read this. Cool stuff. I think that I am going to use it in early July. How many bags do I need for say 5000sqft lawn? I don't see it on there. Assuming healthy lawn (which it says to put down 1/2 in).




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mishatx
2500+ posts
06/25/07 07:09 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Do a little math area x depth = volume.

5000 sq ft x 1/24 ft = 208 cu ft. which is 139 bags of the stuff.

Hmm. Is my math right?

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TheFied
250+ posts
06/25/07 07:16 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

that seems like alot of bags!




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GakFoo
1000+ posts
06/25/07 08:01 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

call eco depot or natural gardener and have the number of yards you need delivered and spread it yourself. its only about $25-$30 per yard, you'll save a ton of money that way over bags.

they should each have a calculator on their websites (or a link) that can help you figure out how much you need. i wouldn't use dillo dirt, it has some stuff in it that i wouldn't want spread on my lawn, and certainly not in my garden.

i compost/top dress every year in april and late september, followed by ladybug 8-2-4 two weeks later. i use natural gardener's terratonic once a quarter. this is my third year here with this plan. it was a very distressed yard when i moved in.

now its like ireland over here. i have to cut my st. augustine 5-6 times a month and its only june, and is a spectacular deep green.

keep everything totally organic, always, and it will pay off in the end. i did have abc aereate my yard this year, though, before i composted. it was very affordable. luckily it rained for 2-3 days before they came and rained again right after i top dressed.

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taco
25+ posts
06/25/07 08:58 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

how much was it for them to aerate your yard? Did they watch out for sprinkler lines/heads.
I've been doing the natural gardener way and its worked well so far, but I wouldn't mind aerating within the next year and wouldn't mind outsourcing if reasonable.

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mishatx
2500+ posts
06/25/07 09:59 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Aeration on the typical yard runs about $70, give or take, depending on who you have do it and if you have them do other things at the same time.

I had ABC do aeration a few years ago. They did a good job at avoiding the areas I marked off to avoid, but, even though they claim "core aeration", it looked like spike aeration to me -- lots of holes, but not a core to be found.

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bozo_casanovaSponsor
5000+ posts
06/25/07 10:15 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Dillo Dirt is good. Revitalizer is really good but pricey.

I'd also recommend Geo Growers as alternative in the same price range, and they deliver. I've used their products before and was extremely satisfied.

BTW- Here's a calculator to tell you how much compost you need if you can figure out how deep you want to get.

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GakFoo
1000+ posts
06/26/07 03:04 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

my areation was roughly $100, north central austin -- small front yard, big back yard.

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#3Rules
2500+ posts
06/26/07 11:15 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

In reply to:

now its like ireland over here




Gak - I think you should just put that in your sig.

But seriously, I always appreciate your info. You were the first guy who recommended Ladybug products to me, which peaked my interest in organic lawn care/gardening, and the rest is history.




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TheFied
250+ posts
06/26/07 12:13 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Gak, so how do you "spread" compost? Do you put it in a big wheel-barrell and use a shovel and then come by with a rake later? Should your grass be dark with mulch to the point you don't see but a little grass?

I have bermuda for the record and it is looking good. I used LadyBug 824 in mid April and just want to make sure it keeps going good. This lawn is only about 8 months old but doing well.




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#3Rules
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06/26/07 12:42 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

TheFied - The place you order it from will come and dump it at your house, then you'll distribute it throughout your yard, basically using the process that you described. I'd spread it to about 1/4"-1/2". You don't want to spread it too thick, or you could smother your grass. It is backbreaking work, so be prepared.




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GakFoo
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06/26/07 05:32 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

#3, no problem, i've gotten two of my neighbors to go organic too and they are also happy they did.

fied, you've got the idea. they show up in a dump truck, back into my driveway, and dump a huge pile onto it. in april i got six yards, and the pile was about as big as a large car.

shovel it into a wheelbarrow, and make piles all throughout the yard. then spread the piles with the back side of a rake so that the compost is evenly spread over the grass, i do it 1/2 thick. your yard will definitely look black if you are looking at it from the street, but definitely don’t completely cover up all the grass -- you should see the blades poking through for the most part, but it wouldn’t be unusual for there to be thick patches of black because it can get clumpy. just water in real good and it will soak in.

its a lot of work but it does make a difference.

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TheFied
250+ posts
06/26/07 05:50 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

What is a 'yard' that you keep referring to? For say 1/2" thick, how much does a 'yard' cover in sqft?




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TxStHorn
2500+ posts
06/26/07 05:54 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Is this something that could be done at any time of the year, or should one wait until late fall or early spring?

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GakFoo
1000+ posts
06/26/07 06:20 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

a yard is a cubic yard -- 3 ft x 3 ft x 3 ft

calculating how much you need:

length (in feet) x width (in ft.) x depth (in inches, e.g. .5") / 324 = # of cubic yards needed

as to timing, early spring and/or in the fall is the optimal time to top dress (and I follow with organic fertilizer 2 weeks after), but i think you'd be just fine doing it now before it gets too hot, plus, june is a good time to fertilize. otherwise, i'd wait til the fall

the delivery charge is about $80, so I try to split a load with a neighbor to save on that charge. i think the bigger trucks can carry 10 yards.

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Jellydonuts
250+ posts
06/26/07 06:23 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TxStHorn]

You can do this anytime during the year. However, you will see the most visual benefits if you do it in early spring. Putting it down in the summer is great, because your lawn will better hold water. That may not be an issue this summer though.





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TheFied
250+ posts
06/26/07 07:41 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

What I'm thinking of doing is buying a few bags of the Revitalizer for my trees and flower garden. And then re-fertilizing with the 824.

I might do the compost in April next year. It sounds like a bit more work than I want to do right now (and I'm working my ass out there every weekend pulling weeds by hand and mowing) and might be better in spring too. It is a bit more expensive than I thought too but I do want to do something like that.




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Jellydonuts
250+ posts
06/27/07 11:12 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

"What I'm thinking of doing is buying a few bags of the Revitalizer for my trees and flower garden. And then re-fertilizing with the 824. "

Just out of curiousity, why are you putting down more fertilizer? You really should need any now, if you did your late spring application. Another consideration would be to use compost tea. It is cheap and easy to apply. It gets the organisms into the lawn (does not provide the aeration and texture that compost does).

I




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William Cannon
500+ posts
06/27/07 11:13 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

In reply to:

It is a bit more expensive than I thought too but I do want to do something like that.




Even if you don't go a 1/2 " thick on your lawn it will still be worth it. I usually just put a cubic yard on my medium sized suburban lawn and be done with it. You might put two. It is well worth it + it will save you on watering since the compost retains moister. Although right now watering is not an issue.

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TheFied
250+ posts
06/27/07 12:59 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Jelly, on the Natural Gardener website they say that for the 824, it is good to put it on in early spring (ie, mid April), in early summer (ie, late June) and at the end of the summer/early fall (ie, around early October).




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mishatx
2500+ posts
06/27/07 03:51 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: Jellydonuts]

In reply to:

Just out of curiousity, why are you putting down more fertilizer? You really should need any now, if you did your late spring application.




The Fied had a brand-new lawn. The extra application will help it establish.

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Jellydonuts
250+ posts
06/27/07 04:56 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: mishatx]

"The Fied had a brand-new lawn. The extra application will help it establish."

Since its a brand new lawn I would recommend a seaweed application rather than pushing the lawn with more fertilizer. This would help establish the roots and brace it for the summer heat. Of course I would still recommend compost over either of these, if possible.




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William Cannon
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06/27/07 11:55 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

In reply to:

Since its a brand new lawn I would recommend a seaweed application rather than pushing the lawn with more fertilizer. This would help establish the roots and brace it for the summer heat. Of course I would still recommend compost over either of these, if possible.




I 100% agree with this.

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TheFied
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11/28/07 12:08 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

In reply to:

as to timing, early spring and/or in the fall is the optimal time to top dress (and I follow with organic fertilizer 2 weeks after),




When is "early spring"? I definitely am doing compost this year. 2 people on here say to do the compost in early spring.....




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Jellydonuts
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11/28/07 01:12 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

There is never a bad time to put on compost. However, for aesthetics I would put it down in mid March. It will really green up your yard quick and then follow with the fertilizer in mid April. One good thing you can do for your lawn right now is mowing over the falling leaves and letting them compost into the soil over the winter.




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kangstaSponsor
1000+ posts
11/28/07 01:45 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

A B C pest and laaaaaaaaawn




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TheFied
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03/15/08 07:14 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

In reply to:

Compost has much greater benefits than you willl get from the fertilizer. If you put it down in April, you should not need any more (it won't hurt it, since you are using organic). For that size of lawn, you should be able to get about eight bags of good compost ($40-50) and spread it yourself. I have used dillo dirt and it worked very well; however, I would still recommend Revitalizer.




Been working on the lawn all day (albeit a gorgeous day). I took 2 breaks, one to watch the Texas/OU basketball game and one to go for a run. Now I'm sitting on my deck watching the UCLA/Stanford game enjoying some beer.

I picked weeds for 2 hours today by hand (I have a tool that looks like a snake's tongue that I use). Mostly nut grass and onion grass. I decided to mow the yard as well mostly to mulch the leaves from the live oaks that I have.

I put down some corn gluten back in February and my plan was to put down some 8-2-4 Lady Bug in mid April.... but I'm wondering and hence revisted this thread, about maybe getting ABC out here to spray some Dillo Dirt compost. I have done everything organic (corn gluten, 824 Lady Bug, picking weeds by hand instead of pesticides) but I just don't know if I want to buy compost and then put it down with a wheel barrel and shovel.

So..... if I do ABC, when is the right time to put down Dillo Dirt compost? Early April? If I put down compost, can I skip 824 Lady Bug?




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bozo_casanova
5000+ posts
03/15/08 10:02 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

There is never a bad time, now is a really good time.




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Not that Bob
1000+ posts
03/15/08 10:07 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

I have an acre +, and I'm old and tired. Is ABC the way to go in my situation? Will their "blower" or whatever it is lay on a thick enough layer?




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mishatx
2500+ posts
03/15/08 10:58 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

they will blow on 1/4" or 1/2" or whatever it is, no matter your yard size. They blew extra for my bushes and trees.

Just a note, when I did it, it was 2-3 months between when I called them and when they could come out. I don't know if they were extra busy then, or if it was because I was having an aeration done, too, but if you're planning to call them and have them come out next week you might be disappointed.






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Hornius EmeritusSponsor
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03/16/08 12:44 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Man, you guys do a ton of work.

I just water mine and, once a year, get that organic stuff they sell at Home Depot and broadcast it over my yard. Works great and my lawn and grounds look like Ireland.




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TheFied
1000+ posts
04/02/08 11:36 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

I got a quote from ABC a couple of weeks ago and was going to pull the trigger... but they can't do it until mid May. I might just buy 2.5 yards at Natural Gardener and do this myself. I can feel my back hurting already......




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mishatx
2500+ posts
04/02/08 11:49 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

told ya.






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taco
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04/02/08 12:37 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

I top dressed 2 yards of the revitalizer from the natural gardener a couple of weeks ago. I just have your normal suburban sized yard. It didn;t take too long. just make sure you have a good wheelbarrow

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Ignatius
1000+ posts
04/02/08 01:07 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Out of curiosity, how long did that take you?




As it turns out, the Alamodome has a policy that no beer can be sold when there is less than 10 minutes on the game clock. I am enraged by this policy.

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CleverNicknameSponsor
2500+ posts
04/02/08 01:22 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

I did 6 yards of dirt from my driveway to the backyard for leveling. Took me half a Saturday. So 2 yards is doable. Half the hassle is hosing off your driveway. Oh, and make sure you have a flat shovel. Don't plan on much for Sunday.

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taco
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04/02/08 04:12 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

around 2-3 hours I think. I wish I had got around a 1/2 yard more. My neighbor did 3 yards in his yard. we had natural gardener deliver to both of our driveways at the same time

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TheFied
1000+ posts
04/02/08 04:19 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Taco, how much did Natural Gardener charge to do the delivery and per yard?




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bozo_casanova
5000+ posts
04/02/08 04:43 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

I'd call geogrowers and gardenville, also.

I love Natural gardner, but they can be kind of spendy for this.




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TheFied
1000+ posts
04/02/08 04:59 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

I called them up. $45 per yard. $65 delivery charge. Or $7 per 1.5 cubic foot bag (prebagged) or $3.50 or something for 1.5 cubic foot bag (you bag it).




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bozo_casanova
5000+ posts
04/02/08 05:45 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Do you have a pickup truck? The best cost option is to have them dump a bucket into the bed of your truck and drive it home.




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TheFied
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04/02/08 05:47 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

i don't have a truck but i have an access to one.




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bozo_casanova
5000+ posts
04/02/08 07:48 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

To me, that's the most fun way to do it- drive up the hill at TDS or the soil yard at Natural Gardner or Gardenville or Geo Growers, and they dump a bucket of dirt or compost into your truck. You in turn dump it into your driveway.
Two tips:
1) If borrowing a friend's truck, you should clean it out after you do this.
2) Improbably, a beautiful woman works at one of the places I've mentioned, and I suspect the traffic they get for self-hauled compost is in part due to that.
Do not PM me for details.




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TheFied
1000+ posts
04/14/08 10:30 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

I got a quote from ABC for roughly $250 but like I said, they were months behind (which MishaTx predicted). I ended up avoiding the Dillo Dirt and bought from Geo Growers in Dripping Springs.

link

I bought 2 yards of "Turf Topper"; it is half compost (dairy cow) and half masonry sand. I could only fit 1 yard in the full sized truck at a time (made 2 runs). $47 after tax per yard.

More than enough for a normal suburban sized yard.

Did this on Saturday and Sunday and watered it in. I plan on doing 8-2-4 in 2 weeks. It wasn't as difficult as I thought it would be but my left arm is a bit sore from carrying the shovel so much.

Question, I didn't use the rake at all. Since it is half masonry sand, it was pretty granular and settled in the soil pretty good. However, I have some low spots due to the grass/soil settling or maybe not level when the builder did it 1.5 years ago... I put more compost in these spots to the point that you cannot see the grass there (maybe 12-18" in diameter circles). Is this a problem? Do I need to rake in these areas so that I see the grass?




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bozo_casanova
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04/14/08 10:47 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Fied- good choice. I'm a fan of Geo Growers. Anyway, you should probably rake it in lightly, but it's not going to kill you if you don't, unless you put so much on that it can't push through.




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bozo_casanova
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04/14/08 11:05 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

Fied- one more thing. 8-2-4 is higher nitrogen analysis than you need, given the soil improvement you are doing. I use the 6-2-4 "Texas Tea" they sell at Garden-Ville, and that's without top dressing. Anyway, I wouldn't go higher than 6-2-4.




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TheFied
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04/14/08 11:22 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

I didn't see the Texas Tea but did see this:

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bozo_casanova
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04/14/08 11:37 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

That stuff is pretty good from what I understand. Still a little high analysis, but it releases slowly, so that matters less.

Do you have clover in your lawn? If you do, count yourself lucky and don't weed it- clover fixes nitrogen. Meaning, it pulls it out of the air and puts it into the ground. So you need lower analysis fertilizer as a result. Over time, by improving soil health, introducing microbes and biodiversity, cutting your lawn long and often and letting the clippings fall on the lawn, by encouraging worms and lizards and good bugs, you'll find that you don't have to fertilize.




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TheFied
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04/14/08 03:24 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

I have some clover, frogs and lizards.

I have had good success with LadyBug 8-2-4 and might use that again just out of familarity. It is supposed to be slow release as well? I don't mind considering other stuff though.




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bozo_casanova
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04/14/08 06:07 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

didn't you put out CGM in February?




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TheFied
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04/14/08 11:31 PM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

i did. i think that the CGM i put down in feb. was 8-0-0 (bought it at natural gardener). the "Control Prevent" corn gluten is 8-2-4 but the stuff at natural gardener was 8-0-0 i believe.




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bozo_casanova
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04/15/08 09:17 AM
Re: ABC Pest & Lawn Dillo Dirt? [re: TheFied]

That's what I thought- the reason I ask is that between the CGM and the compost/sand mix, you've got plenty of nitrogen on the ground and you probably don't want more. Too much nitrogen will cause serious disease problems and potentially burning if it gets hot early this year. You probably need a little (but not much) phosphate, potassium, trace minerals, etc..

I would spread some Texas greensand and some red lava sand, or a combined commercial product called volcanite. Then your lawn will have been amended as much as it can be this spring, and if you are wanting to do more, mulch any bare spots and aerate, which is really the best thing anybody can do to their lawn.





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