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dlatin
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03/16/08 08:38 PM
New House - yard full of weeds - Help!

Just moved into a new house which the previous owner did not care much for lawn maintenance. The base would be bermuda, but it is pretty much all weeds.

I started working on the major weeds today, hand pulling, but then I realized it would take about a week of pulling to pull all the weeds by hand.

Does anyone recommend how I should go about re-claiming the yard? Does weed and feed really work in such extreme cases? Should I re-seed?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks




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l00pModerator
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03/16/08 09:11 PM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

While I am only a gardener in the process of learning, slowly, I will say that it may behoove you to put the back breaking stuff in now. I would not want to use any chemicals, not that you would. You gotta get the roots out or they could pop back up. Go get some tall brown garden bags and make a goal to fill two up a day. You have the added sunshine to do this.

Just make sure to get the roots. Then you can maybe turn the soil over and treat the yard? I am going on hunch here. I am sure the actual gardeners will have a better solution but that is what I woud do.




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TexasEd
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03/16/08 09:42 PM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

Weed hound or weed popper keeps you from having to bend over.




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TheFied
1000+ posts
03/16/08 09:45 PM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

I have a tool that is about 1 foot long and has a metal end that looks like a snake's tongue. I am basically on all 4s. I have yet to use the weed hopper but the tool I have plus a glove on the hand I'm using it with (otherwise say hello to blisters) works like a charm. But takes hours. I did the backyard this weekend for 2 hours and the front yard after work on Wed. for 2 hours. Not fun but I know that I have fewer weeds this year than last.




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bozo_casanova
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03/16/08 10:02 PM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

weed and feed sucks. Really, monoculture kind of sucks, but I understand about getting things under control.

Really, weeds are a symptom of poor soil health. Those are the plants that do well in the condition your yard is in. My thinking would be to
1) buy a weed popper or a diamond head hoe, and take down the weeds as you have time.
2) Top dress your lawn with about 1" of manure compost now and water it in to improve your soil.
3) Use a good organic fertilizer in mid april
4) Mow your yard as high as your mower goes, but do it every week. DO NOT BAG YOUR CLIPPINGS. The chopped up clippings are mulch, which hold moisture, protect the soil from high temps, and decompose nutrition back into the soil.
5) Water 1X/Week and not more, deeply.
6) In the fall, fertilize with a good organic fert and overseed with rye. Most people use annual ryegrass, but I'm beginning to think cereal rye is better. Either way, do it.
7) Next spring, spread Corn Gluten Meal in mid-February and start over.

Overtime, this will create a set of conditions that the grass will like and most of the weeds won't. A few really nice "weeds" that are superior in 1000 ways to bermuda grass (like sweet clover) will probably like it, but that's a good thing.




BOOM! POW!

Edited by bozo_casanova (03/16/08 10:03 PM)

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TheFied
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03/16/08 10:24 PM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

Why use rye?




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Sangre NaranjadaSponsor
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03/17/08 05:45 AM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

I'll try that. Rye grows in cool weather so the yard is green in winter. A healthy stand of rye would presumably inhibit the ability of weed seeds to germinate over the winter when the Bermuda is brown and dormant.




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chuychanga
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03/17/08 08:23 AM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

If you water the lawn first to get the soil nice and soft, the weeds will come up by the root easier, instead of snapping off at the base.

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Gardner Barnes
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03/17/08 09:08 AM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

Man, I spent all day yesterday doing the same thing. My hands are toast today. Basically 4 kinds of weeds:

I had this kind of creeper weed that I could just rake up but that SOB stuck to everything.
Dandelions
Something that looked like parsley and had a white taproot
Wild Onion




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TheFied
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03/17/08 10:34 AM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

In reply to:

Something that looked like parsley and had a white taproot




Gardner, I know exactly what you are talking about. What is it called? I had that BIG TIME last spring. Last spring was my 1st spring for my yard (I have bermudagrass and it was new construction).

This year, I have seen a few of those but nothing like last year.

This year, I am having alot of nut grass (in one particular area especially) and onion grass everywhere.




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bozo_casanova
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03/17/08 11:29 AM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: Sangre Naranjada]

In reply to:

I'll try that. Rye grows in cool weather so the yard is green in winter. A healthy stand of rye would presumably inhibit the ability of weed seeds to germinate over the winter when the Bermuda is brown and dormant.


yep, that's the idea anyway. Overseeding also gives you a nice looking winter turf, prevents erosion and compaction.

Two caveats, though-
1) don't use CGM in the fall to surpress winter weeds and overseed with rye or ryegrass, because the CGM will supress the that as well. This is why I use CGM only for spring/summer weeds. I find the ryegrass plus fall fert outcompetes winter weeds. and gives the bermuda a good place to grow into.

2) I've used annual ryegrass plenty, but never personally used cereal rye, so I can attest to how well ryegrass works, but can't speak for rye beyond what I've heard, which is great. I'll be trying cereal rye in the back yard this winter.





BOOM! POW!

Edited by bozo_casanova (03/17/08 11:34 AM)

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Gardner Barnes
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03/17/08 11:31 AM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

I have no idea what the parsley weed was called,, but they were pretty easy to pull up. There were just a lot of them.

I had the same issue as you as we have moved into a new house where the previous owner did not take good care of the yard. I figure this is a 3-5 year project of cleaning the mess up.

Man, I hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but pulling is not going to cut it with nut grass. Usually they have 3 or 4 nodules/tubers/nuts that are weakly connected to the main stem. 98% of the time I tried to pull those up I did not get everything.

I suggest you use Image and reapply in 6 weeks.




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bozo_casanova
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03/17/08 11:58 AM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: Gardner Barnes]

GB-that's why I recommend the weed popper specifically- it gets the nutgrass, root and all.

I guess I just get very concerned about putting anything (like imazaquin) that kills a plant like dollarweed or nutsedge being anywhere near my kids, my dogs, me, or my water supply.




BOOM! POW!

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dendox
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03/17/08 12:18 PM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

parsley weed - could it be purple nutsedge? That freaking weed is kicking my yard's ass this year. I have pulled tons of it up - only to learn that this is probably not a good thing. The seeds (nuts) reside under ground and when you pull them up you mess with the nuts and a few new weeds sprout up.

If anyone knows more about this stupid weed - fill me in.




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TheFied
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03/17/08 12:29 PM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi>link

I don't think that what I have is purple nutsedge based on the link above.

As for nutgrass, I am not surprised that pulling out by hand doesn't work. I did it 2 weeks ago only to do it again this weekend. I am getting the root though, doesn't matter?




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jmatt
2500+ posts
03/17/08 12:45 PM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

Try this (homemade natural weed killer) The Link It is similar to some mixes I've read or heard about, except for the salt.

Here's another site: Link




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dendox
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03/17/08 12:51 PM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]



this is the nutsedge I have been having. It is really broad leaf pain in the ass. pulling is bad - at least that is what the internet tells me.

kind of looks like parsley to me. The other pictures that showed up on yuor link - I haven't seen that stage yet.

I ordered some sedge hammer stuff last week. Put it on on a Sunday (wasn't supposed to rain for about 8 hours) and it started raining almost an hour and half later. I think I may have wasted 30 bucks on that [censored]




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dendox
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03/17/08 12:53 PM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

I need to have my head examined. That doesn't look anything like parsley. my bad.

I was thinking onions.

What an idoit.




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Brak
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03/17/08 02:31 PM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

I would not recommend hand pulling the weeds unless you are a masochist. As others have said, you want to get your burmuda healthy. Begin by mowing the weeds ever week to prevent them from going to seed and to stunt their growth. This will also allow your bermuda to compete.

Apply the Image. The bermuda won't really start growing until April. Them make sure you are watering on a regular basis, especially if we have not had any rain. Once the temps are consistently over 80 degrees you can apply MSMA which should kill the weeds that are left. This stuff works great in bermuda but not for St. A.

I also would recommend compost. Once the grass is growing make sure to mow weekly and water regularly.

My comment on Ryegrass is this. I mow my yard all summer and enjoy the break in the winter. If you have Ryegrass you will have to mow it. In a warm winter it will grown like crazy. Also once the temps start to warm up Rye looks like crap.

Edited by Brak (03/17/08 02:35 PM)

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TheFied
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03/17/08 04:17 PM
Re: New House - yard full of weeds - Help! [re: dlatin]

In reply to:

I would not recommend hand pulling the weeds unless you are a masochist. As others have said, you want to get your burmuda healthy. Begin by mowing the weeds ever week to prevent them from going to seed and to stunt their growth. This will also allow your bermuda to compete.




Interesting. I mowed the yard back in November or December but mainly to mow over all my leaves (red oaks and live oaks) to mulch them up. I mowed this past weekend also to mulch the leaves. So you are saying to not pick the weeds out by hand but instead mow over them? Which weeds does this work for?




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