Ramathorn
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10/09/08 12:41 PM
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Kyle needs a place to stay
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hmmm...which Kyle could this be?
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I'd bet there's an apt locator here that can help him.
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Thorp
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10/10/08 02:54 AM
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Which Kyle is it?
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ntexascardfan
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10/10/08 03:35 AM
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My bet is Kyle Russell. He was drafted by the Cardinals two years ago, but didn't like what we offered and returned to Texas. he was drafted in the third round by Los Angeles this year and signed for 410k. He cost himself about 600k by going back to Texas for another season. I'm not sure how Russell thought he could improve his status after the year he had in 2007 before the draft. Ah well.
Edited by ntexascardfan (10/10/08 03:36 AM)
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PitchingGuru
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10/10/08 07:16 AM
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That would mean that the Cardinals offered a million and I didnt think they ever made that kind of offer. Thats why he returned.
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ntexascardfan
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10/10/08 02:37 PM
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Nah. I'm a draft geek and try to follow this stuff as closely as I can. Historically the Cardinals do not take guys like Russell early unless they expect to be able to sign them. Darryl Jones was supposed to be an impossible sign who was committed to Baylor, but we took him in the third round in 2006 and he was on our minor league player of the year this year.
The Cardinals offered Russelll 1 million. Fellow Longhorn Brad Suttle was offered 1.3 million from the Yankees, so Russell felt like he was being mistreated and returned to Texas. Him feeling that he was slightyed (1 million dollars is first round money he was a fourth round pick) cost him 590k.
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VacantlyOccupied
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10/10/08 10:08 PM
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Maybe he didn't sign because St Louis sucks.
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ntexascardfan
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10/10/08 10:13 PM
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Well that would be a silly reason for him not to sign. Considering only one team in baseball has had more success than the Cardinals since 2000. Get with me when the Stros or Rangers get to the series.
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Thorp
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10/10/08 11:52 PM
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The Cards don't take care of their pitchers in the farm system very well. Well known in Texas. It isn't all about money.
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ntexascardfan
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10/11/08 12:39 AM
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Kyle Russell is an outfielder. How would the Cardinal's treatment of their minor league pitching affect his decision to reject a 7 figure offer for being drafted in the first round? I'll take the success we have enjoyed over the majority of the past 10 years over that of the majority of the teams in baseball. Regardless of how our minor league pitchers develop or don't develop, it's been a very successful organization.
Edited by ntexascardfan (10/11/08 01:05 AM)
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That's Right
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10/11/08 12:41 AM
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Kyle Russel isn't a pitcher, so I'm confused by the last post.
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Thorp
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10/11/08 08:28 PM
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The guys that are drafted by the Cards and probably many other major league teams, use the minor league players for trade bait and rule 5 options more often than not. Pitchers, outfielders,etc....it really doesn't make any difference. Just voicing observations.
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ntexascardfan
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10/11/08 08:43 PM
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In reply to:
The guys that are drafted by the Cards and probably many other major league teams, use the minor league players for trade bait and rule 5 options more often than not. Pitchers, outfielders,etc....it really doesn't make any difference. Just voicing observations.
Are you serious?
The following players were drafted by the Cardinals and contributed to the big club this year.
Mark Worrell
Albert Pujols
Yadier Molina
Nick Stavinova
Joe Mather
Skip Schumaker
Rick Ankiel
Brad Thompson
Mike Parisi
Chris Duncan
Brendan Ryan
Jamie Garcia
Randy Flores
Josh Kinney
Kyle McClellan
Chris Perez
Mitch Boggs
Jason Motte
All of the players listed above made an appearance before September callups.
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Thorp
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10/12/08 03:26 AM
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18 players out of how many prospects drafted during what years? In fairness to all players that are drafted, it's a crap shoot to make it to the majors. Maybe a 3-5% margin.
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ntexascardfan
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10/12/08 12:24 PM
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It's about the same percentage for every team. This is a pointless discussion to continue considering I doubt you remotely keep up with the Cardinals organization. When the new minor league ratings release the Cardinals will be a top ten organization. Can't say the same for any of the Texas teams, the Stros will be close to last. You're still living in the Jockety days from 5 years ago. The Cardinals have a new organizational strategy that you saw implemented this year. Having 18 players from YOUR draft classes contributing to your big league club is a high percentage for a team that was competing for a playoff spot until the final weeks of the season.
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Thorp
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10/13/08 02:27 AM
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Glad that Jockety is gone.
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