The Eyes of Texas
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The Greatest Western Movie Ever
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The Outlaw Josey Wales, and nothing else is even close.
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TxStHorn
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01/27/09 02:10 PM
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You know- that was on the other day, and the exact same thought went through my head.
Really a great film.
Dirty Redlegs. 
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RomaVicta
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01/27/09 02:15 PM
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The Wild Bunch
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
For a Few Dollars More
Maybe Hombre and Ulzana's Raid.
Surely a few others I'm forgetting
Those are all up there near the Outlaw Josey Wales, but you may be right about it being the best. Hard to call.
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MGS
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01/27/09 02:21 PM
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The Searchers. I can't believe it's more than 50 years old.
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kchorn
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01/27/09 02:23 PM
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(1) High Noon.
(2) One-Eyed Jacks.
(3) Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
Hook 'em. 
Edited by kchorn (01/27/09 02:25 PM)
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I Am Texas
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01/27/09 02:26 PM
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In reply to:
The Outlaw Josey Wales, and nothing else is even close.
Here, here. Dyin' aint much of a livin', boy.
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pevodog
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01/27/09 02:31 PM
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If mini series are included, I'd put Lonesome Dove at/near the top. As far as movies, The Unforgiven, The Outlaw Josey Wales, The Man who shot Liberty Valience,and Jermiah Johnson are all movies I'd put at the top.
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SunBurntOrange
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01/27/09 02:33 PM
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True Grit
Blazing Saddles
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accuratehorn
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01/27/09 02:43 PM
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There is truth in your promise of life and death and movie selection, but...
Once Upon a Time in the West
Stagecoach
Red River
The Good Bad and the Ugly
Blazing Saddles
The Searchers always makes these lists
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DRAG69
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01/27/09 02:59 PM
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Check out The Ox-Bow Incident from 1943.
Henry Fonda
Dana Andrews
Anthony Quinn
Great movie.
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MirrOlure
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01/27/09 03:15 PM
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These threads which are based solely on a conclusive statement regarding a wholly subjective matter really irk me, and I feel compelled to jump in and argue the point in the OP.
.............but this time I got nothin'. Damn if the OP isn't right.
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Alex_de_Large
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01/27/09 04:00 PM
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In reply to:
The Outlaw Josey Wales, and nothing else is even close.
That was spooky. Exactly what I was going to say.
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snow leopard27
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01/27/09 04:56 PM
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SHANE has always been one of my favorites.
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PFD
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01/27/09 05:49 PM
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One of my all-time favorite move lines:
In reply to:
Carpetbagger: Do you really think you can shoot all those men down before they shoot you? No, no, Mr. Josey Wales; there is such a thing in this country called justice!
Josey Wales: Well, Mr. Carpetbagger. We got somethin' in this territory called a Missouri boat ride.
Nevertheless, I'll probably agree that "The Searchers" is better. Or, maybe "Sons of Katie Elder."
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llanoflash
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01/27/09 06:02 PM
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"dying aint much of a livin boy"
"to hell with them fellas... buzzards gotta eat... same as worms"
#1--agreed... best ever-- with Unforgiven a close 2.
crint eastwood!
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buckhorn
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01/27/09 06:02 PM
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More than any other topic the 'greatest western of all time' thread always produces lists that include films that are obvious choices (Searchers, tGBU, Red River) and films that simply don't seem to answer the call (Sons of Katie Elder, Ulzana's Raid, the Unforgiven, Hombre). The disparity seems wide.
To each their own.
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cmvUT75
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01/27/09 06:03 PM
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hell, "Unforgiven" is better than "The Outlaw Josey Wales", imho.
Tombstone is the best western I've ever seen ... and I've seen a shitload of westerns in my 50+ years.
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BrothaHorn
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01/27/09 06:42 PM
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In reply to:
Once Upon a Time in the West
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wolfman
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01/27/09 06:56 PM
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I read that Spielberg said that the Searchers is the best movie ever made, not matter the genre. It is certainly a great one for sure. Some of my favorites are:
Silverado
Tombstone
Josey Wales
High Plains Drifter
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Rio Bravo
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badexcuse
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01/27/09 06:57 PM
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GB&U will always be my favorite Clint movie.
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aUTfan
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01/27/09 07:23 PM
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Often in cases where a number one is trying to be established I can't help but make a group of them number one cause there is no way to decide, for instance, greatest NFL running back? How can you label the greatest Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Gale Sayers, Walter Payton....and on and on. There is no way to do it, you have to make a group number one and so I give you my "group" in no particular order
Tombstone
Unforgiven
Outlaw Josey Wales
The Good the bad the ugly
(practically every Clint Eastwood western)
Just about all of John Wayne's westerns except Rooster Cogburn
and there are more i just can't think of all the names.
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Austintxusa
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01/27/09 08:39 PM
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Lonesome Dove
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Red River
The Wild Bunch
Outlaw Josey Wales
Stagecoach (original)
Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
Little Big Man
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Fist Full of Dollars
How the West Was Won
Unforgiven
Appaloosa
One-Eyed Jacks
Jeremiah Johnson
High Plains Drifter
Once Upon a Time in the West
Tombstone
The Shootist
Valdez is Coming
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FAST FRED
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01/27/09 08:51 PM
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I'll list some older ones, just because I can.
How about John Ford's "My Darling Clementine" with Henry Fonda playing Wyatt Earp.
It's rarely thought of when this familiar thread is reposted from time to time.
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This one's just as good as any of the more well-known flicks that Ford made with John Wayne.
Victor Mature, wearing a hat that only a huckleberry would put on his head, plays Doc Holliday and Walter Brennan is really good as Papa Clanton.
Another favorite Western of mine, directed by Robert Aldrich, is "Ulzana's Raid" with Burt Lancaster.
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It's a very realistic cavalry flick.
Another really cool film is "Hombre," directed by Martin Ritt, with Paul Newman as "the Good," Richard Boone as "the Bad" and Fredric March as "the Ugly."
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And another good ‘un that's sometimes not thought of, because of its age I suppose, is William Wyler's "The Big Country" with Gregory Peck, Charlton Heston and Burl Ives.
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And there's "Night Passage" with Jimmy Stewart and Audie Murphy, scenically filmed on the Durango/Silverton Railroad in Colorado.
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I suspect that noirish title doesn't help much to get it remembered as an excellent oater.
And "The Tin Star," directed by Anthony Mann, with Henry Fonda and Anthony Perkins.
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It certainly foreshadowed recent darker "Horse Operas" we've seen like Eastwood's "Unforgiven" and Costner's "Open Range."
Gig 'em. FAST FRED, '65
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txlc
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01/27/09 08:52 PM
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All the movies above are great choices and I would personally go with the searchers if I had to choose just one. I love angry and vengeful John Wayne. I also will throw into the mix Big Country with Gregory Peck, Liz Taylor, Charlton Heston, Chuck Connors and Burl Ives. If you have never seen this one - rent it. You won't be disappointed.
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FAST FRED
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01/27/09 09:05 PM
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txlc, you'll only be disappointed if you're not fully satisfied with Jean Simmons starring in "The Big Country" rather than Liz Taylor.
Gig 'em. FAST FRED, '65
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71grad
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01/27/09 09:42 PM
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My Darling Clementine and The Big Country finally got mentioned. Two great movies. I am another fan who has to put The Searchers on the list. John Ford's Cavalry Trilogy of Fort Apache, Rio Grande and She wore a Yellow Ribbon.
Others are:
The Long Riders
The original 3:10 to Yuma
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Dutton Peabody's nomination speech for Ransom Stoddard is one of my favorite scenes in any movie.
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BigWill
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01/27/09 10:18 PM
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Big Jake.
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PFD
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01/27/09 11:55 PM
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I'm a little surprised that this thread has made nearly two pages with nary a mention of "The Magnificent Seven."
Yul Brenner is going to tan someone's hide for this.
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83Horn
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01/28/09 03:12 AM
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I want to agree with the OP. OJW is a great, great movie, but in order for it to be tops on my list, you'd have to edit out almost every scene with Sondra Locke, especially after the scene where she and her Grandma have their encounter with the banditos. Still one of my favorite movies of all time.
Chief Dan George: "Good thing you showed up when you did. I might have killed her."
My personal favorite is High Plains Drifter. Quintessential Cint Eastwood western. He's bad to the bone, but in a good sort of way. And, another of his movies that gets overlooked but deserves mention is Joe Kidd. Robert Duvall plays a great bad guy in this one. And just because I can, I'll mention also, Hang 'Em High. Clint's first U.S. western after his Sergio Leone triglogy, featuring Pat Hingle, and Dennis Hopper in a small, throw-away role, and the skipper from Gilligan's Island. Side note, Inger Stevens was hot.
 
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RabidLonghorn
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01/28/09 04:14 AM
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The Searchers
Red River
Jermiah Johnson
The Cowboys
Outlaw Josie Wales
when we beat UT and win the bowl, we are at 6 wins. 6 of 13 == bowl eligible for our recordbooks
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Major Marco
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01/28/09 07:15 AM
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The Searchers. Maybe the best in any category.
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darius
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01/28/09 10:06 AM
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Giant
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TheFied
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01/28/09 10:51 AM
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I saw the Outlaw Josey Wales on HDNET or HDMovies this weekend (dvr'ed it). It was an excellent film. I really liked Unforgiven but haven't seen it in years. Need to put that back on my netflix.
Of the spaghetti westerns, I liked "For a Few Dollars More" more than GB&U.
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CanaTigers
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01/28/09 10:55 AM
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Josey Wales is great but The Searchers is one of the best movies of any genre. I would throw Lonely are the Brave in my favorite list of westerns even though it's not old west.
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formermav43
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01/29/09 12:47 AM
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Its The Searchers.
I've never understood the love some people have for Tombstone. I like it fine, but its just good and not great, IMO. Doesn't really belong with some of the others mentioned here.
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I_Dont_Exist
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01/29/09 07:14 AM
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In reply to:
The Searchers. Maybe the best in any category.
This is exactly how I feel about "The Man Who Shot Libery Valance". This is a tragedy worthy of Shakespeare. When I start discussing the film it's hard for me to stop. From beginning to end it's a masterpiece.
Rather than post something so long only a very few would bother to read in it's entirety I'll offer a link to a description of the elements of what great tragedy should encompass. Just read the first paragraph and think how it relates so very well to Tom's character who sacrificed everything for the woman he loved. Tom may very well be the most noble character in all of literature.
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For those interested in a lengthy but superb analysis on the movie I'll provide this article.
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Edited by I_Dont_Exist (01/29/09 07:39 AM)
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El Torito
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01/29/09 08:36 AM
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"The Good, the Bad and the Ugly."
"You see in this world there's two kinds of people my friend - those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
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accuratehorn
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01/29/09 09:39 AM
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So many great westerns, after reading this thread, I want to see some of them again.
And I have decided to add "The Man who Shot Liberty Valance" and "The Magnificent Seven" to my list. But I'm still topping it with "Once Upon a Time in the West."
Knowledge is good
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GatorHorn
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01/29/09 09:59 AM
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"Question my fanhood again and it's interweb go time."
Rex Krammer
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Alex_de_Large
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01/29/09 10:14 AM
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Saturday night The Good Bad & Ugly, For a Few Dollars More and Fistfull of Dollars is on channel 254 on Direct TV. I think that is AMC.
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Statalyzer
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01/29/09 10:21 AM
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The Three Amigos.
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Its not about wins and loses, if it was we wouldnt be t.u.'s rival...
~Texags.com poster
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russwm
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01/29/09 10:58 AM
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The Shakiest Gun in the West
Son of Paleface
The Apple Dumpling Gang
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40 ACRZ
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01/29/09 11:57 AM
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"How is it on stains?" Another classic line from one of the greats (but not greatest) westerns.
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is hands down the best.
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Big Jake
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01/29/09 01:35 PM
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In reply to:
Big Jake.
Twenty four hours in a day. Twenty four beers in a case. Coincidence?
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netslave
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01/29/09 03:25 PM
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The Searchers = 
I can't say it's 'good' but I have a soft spot for Young Guns. Good times I say.
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Hornius Emeritus
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01/29/09 03:42 PM
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I have never seen what others see in The Searchers.
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buckhorn
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01/29/09 04:38 PM
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The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence is great, but it lacks grandeur, which is to say that too much of it happens in doors on on the movie lot. It has the feel of an episode of Bonanza. My older friends who love westerns always bah humbug me on this point, and I do trust the opinion of an older afficionado than a younger as those old guys grew up watching westerns all of the time (TV, matinees, TV series, etc.). The old timers start talking about particular episodes of Yancey Derringer and you know they got their bona fides out of the holster.
A few others that are less known but still really good:
40 Guns (Samuel Fuller -- a bit odd)
The Tall T
Seven Men From Now (both Budd Boeticher/Randolph Scott films and both simply excellent)
Ride the High Country (the other great Peckinpah Western, also with Randolph Scott)
The Naked Spur (really, any of the Anthony Mann westerns are pretty stout, especially the ones with Jimmy Stewart (Man from Laramie, Winchester '76, the Far Country, etc.).
Hud (perhaps no more a western than The Last Picture Show, perhaps something more)
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AFhorn82
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01/29/09 04:47 PM
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I know it's a war movie but I always thought Kelly's Heroes was basically a western set in WWII Europe. Right down to the showdown with the German Tiger tank at the end of the movie with the spaghetti western theme music playing.
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Third Coast
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01/29/09 05:55 PM
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The Outlaw Josey Wales
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
High Noon
The Good, The Bad & The Ugly
The Magnificent Seven
The Wild Bunch
Unforgiven
Dances With Wolves
Little Big Man
The Long Riders
Tombstone
A Man Called Horse
Those are some of my favorites
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FAST FRED
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01/29/09 08:39 PM
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I've seen "The Searchers" many times, including in a real movie theater at it's initial release.
But, although I find it otherwise an excellent Western, I find the final part of the story lacking after all the great buildup.
The best part of the movie is the search and, of course, it's called "The Searchers."
It's not entitled something like "The Gunfight at the OK Corral," so maybe a big climax isn't promised or needed and I shouldn't require one.
Perhaps I should be satisfied with the trail following, Indian scouting, wilderness wandering, landscape looking, sandstormy seeking and sustained searching, because all that stuff is really good.
When Ethan recognizes his long lost niece, Debbie, in that kidnapping Scar's teepee, the dramatic tension is enormous.
What's gonna happen next?
I've just never thought the ending as John Ford made it was good enough for or as memorable as the rest of the story.
Maybe, if John Wayne had killed Natalie Wood, as he considered doing, or if he'd shot a few more Indians or........something.
I don't know.
I really don't.
That's the way Ford saw it and he's the master movie maker.
Perhaps, John Wayne could have been killed in the act of saving her, but as Buddy Holly duely noted, "That'll Be The Day."
You know, then she could have been brought back home by Jeffery Hunter and that final scene where Ethan disappears out the door of the homestead could have been done like they do with the dead heroes, villains and victims in the closing moments on TV's "Cold Case" series.
I don't know, the characters and the story's buildup are great. but I 'm always let down by the way the movie goes after that teepee scene and not necessarily because the reunion turns out happy.
So shoot me.
Gig 'em. FAST FRED, '65
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CanaTigers
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01/29/09 08:57 PM
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In reply to:
I don't know, the characters and the buildup are great, but I 'm always let down by the way the movie winds down after that teepee scene and not necessarily because it's turns out happy.
I didn't see the ending as a happy one. Ethan spent years of his life on the revenge trail and then finds himself alone after he gets it all done. As for his niece it appeared to be happy reunion but her family was mostly dead. Then she will have the rest of her life full of people staring, whispering and shunning her. Not to mention the impossibility of having a normal relationship with a man. She probably ended up a prostitute.
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FAST FRED
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01/29/09 09:13 PM
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Yeah, I see that.
After Lawrence Sullivan Ross "rescued" Cynthia Ann Parker from the Comanches and brought her "home" she pined away in loneliness and despair, never seeing her Indian family or her beloved half-breed children or her home on the plains again.
That's how that actually went down.
Ford made it, people dig it and I can leave his great work alone, appreciating it for what it is.
Gig 'em. FAST FRED, '65
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Hornius Emeritus
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01/29/09 10:08 PM
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To me, it's just that the acting in The Searchers seems so (pardon the pun) wooden.
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JonathanMardukas
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01/29/09 10:58 PM
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Tuco: [trying to read a note] "See you soon, id... ” "id... ” "ids... ”
Man With No Name: [taking the note] "Idiots". It's for you.
For me it's the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Followed closely by Rio Bravo.
McLintock! was pretty good.
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haddley
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01/30/09 08:32 AM
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You're all forgetting Back to the Future III
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accuratehorn
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01/30/09 09:42 AM
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I'm going to agree with buckhorn about The Man who Shot Liberty Valence, because while it is undeniably a great story, the western scenery, the grandeur of the landscape so important to so many movies, is lacking.
I also agree about The Searchers. How is makes the top of so many lists is beyond me, but it always does.
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RomaVicta
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01/30/09 10:00 AM
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I can see the criticism of Liberty Valance and hadn't thought about its lack of exterior locations. The story is enough to keep it near the top for me. I didn't like it that much when I first saw it, but was blown away one night in a hotel seeing it on TV. I'd never noticed that the irony of the title is repeated in many different ways throughout the movie.
In the classroom scene where the students, young and old, are asked about America, you have a woman proudly talking about the power of the vote and a black man talking about how all men are equal. Women couldn't vote back then and we know the situation of the ex slaves.
It's also interesting how Wayne and Marvin (as Valance) keep eyeballing each other in near showdowns. Wayne doesn't just gun the bad guy down because their interests have not crossed.
The use of the cactus flower at the beginning and end of the movie is very strong and evocative.
Not that anyone here was knocking the movie, I guess I just got excited thinking about it again.
The Searchers is, like Citizen Kane, a film school favorite. Both excellent movies, but you wonder if they are sustained at the very top of so many lists just because of the ease with which film students/scholars can break down their elements. Kane is a landmark in style. Searchers drives home every theme common to the genre. You could write endless papers about either one.
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llanoflash
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01/30/09 11:31 AM
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along the lines of the searchers....
if you like that movie, you should read
"9 years among the indians" by herman lehman
and "captured" by scot zesch
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pretty cool stuff about central texans abducted
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hard knock horn
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01/30/09 02:03 PM
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I second the Silverado mention. It might not be the best but it is definitely the most underrated. it has an ensemble cast of:
Danny Glover
Kevin Kline
Scott Glenn
Brian Dennehey
Kevin Costner
Jeff Goldblum
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PFD
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01/30/09 02:31 PM
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One of my favorite lines from "The Searchers" is the following exchange between the Jorgensens:
In reply to:
Lars Jorgensen: It's this country killed my boy. Yes by golly I tell you, Ethan...
Mrs. Jorgensen: No Lars. It just so happens we be Texicans. Texican is nothing but a human man way out on a limb. This year and next, and maybe for a hundred more. But I don't think it'll be forever. Some day this country's gonna be a fine, good place to be. Maybe it needs our bones in the ground before that time can come.
To me, this scene captures the main theme of the movie (similar to how the scene with Tommy Lee Jones and Barry Corbin captures the main theme of "No Country for Old Men").
It's sufficiently meaningful that Joaquin Jackson and David M. Wilkinson included it in "One Ranger," the biopic piece about Jackson's Ranger career.
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buckhorn
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01/30/09 03:58 PM
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Another worth mentioning that seems to be largely overlooked:
The Gunfighter
Gregory Peck as the Ringo Kid is much more effective than one might initially suspect.
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SL_Horn
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02/05/09 05:02 PM
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Agree on the Budd Boetticher films listed above. In fact they released a 5 disc boxset a few months ago that includes the Tall T.
Anyone seen "The Gunfighter" with Gregory Peck? Also "The Furies", an Anthony Mann pic. Both were also released on DVD recently.
I'll also cast another vote for Once Upon A Time in the West.
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TX-EX_98
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02/09/09 10:12 PM
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Searchers & Unforgiven, then the rest.
"I shot him. I guess he had it coming, uh Will?"
"We all got it coming kid"
&
"Well, sir, you just shot an unarmed man."
"He should've armed himself if he was going to decorate his saloon with friend."
Need to go watch Searchers again. Thanks for thread, even though I was late to the game.
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WorsterMan
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02/09/09 11:09 PM
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My top 5:
1. Outlaw Josey Wales (agree with OP)
2. 3:10 to Yuma (original version)
3. The Good the Bad & the sooner
4. The Sons of Kate Elder
5. GIANT
45 - 35
58 - 40 - 5
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83Horn
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02/18/09 02:31 AM
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Can't believe I forgot about this one. Anyone remember Barbarosa with Willie Nelson and Gary Busey? Great flick. The story, dialogue, acting, locations and cinematography are all top notch.
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The Eyes of Texas
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02/18/09 01:51 PM
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...and my favorite line from the best western movie of all time:
Josey: "Every time I get to likin' somebody, they ain't around long."
Chief: "I noticed when you get to dislikin' somebody, they ain't around long neither."
"I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize."
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ACuriae
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02/18/09 03:42 PM
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Agree with 83horn on Sondra Locke. I'd put a lot of movies above Josey Wales solely because of that crackwhore-looking zombie.
My $0.02:
1. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
2. The Searchers
3. High Noon
4. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
5. The Magnificent Seven
6. Once Upon a Time in the West
7. How the West Was Won
8. Unforgiven
9. The Big Country
10. The Wild Bunch
Honorable Mention:
Stagecoach
The Sons of Katie Elder
Red River
My Darling Clementine
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
Rio Bravo
Dances With Wolves
Shane
The Proposition
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Silverado
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A. BETTIK
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The Treasure of the Sierra Madre appears to be not mentioned yet.
I thought the beginning was really good. In general, I enjoy any western where Anglo or Hispanic cultures mix and clash in an arid alpine setting.
Paint Your Wagon, although a comedy and musical, had a good plot, a hot chick and two of the most unlikely actors to have ever have sung in a movie, sung in the same movie and to have pulled it off pretty well. Lee Marvin's off key singing "I was born under a Wand'rin Star" is much appreciated by any fan of Jerry Jeff Walker's songs from the 70's.
I can live with Joes Wales at the top though.
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