Clean
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10/09/12 01:49 PM
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IF We Win the Coin Toss This Week ...
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.... should we defer to the second half again? Seems to me this strategy only works if you have a good defense.
Last week we win the toss and defer. West Va goes right down the field and scores in under two minutes.
The week before, we defer and OSU goes 75 yards in two plays.
Do you really want to start out every game down 7-zip? I think I'd rather put our offense on the field and hope we start out 7-0 and make OU play catch up.
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georgecostanza
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10/09/12 01:51 PM
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I like starting the 2nd half with the lead and the ball on offense just like we have the last two weeks.
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Dionysus
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10/09/12 02:17 PM
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We should defer the coin toss and then onside punt.
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Alex_de_Large
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10/09/12 02:47 PM
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Just don't say "We want to play defense" like Derrick Johnson did at Arkansas so we have to kick off both halves
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ProdigalHorn
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10/09/12 04:49 PM
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.... should we defer to the second half again? Seems to me this strategy only works if you have a good defense.
It always "works". If you can't stop the other team's offense, then the choice is irrelevant, because they'll get the ball and score anyway, plus they get it to start the second half. If OU takes it down and scores on the opening possession, then we're screwed either way, but at least then we have a chance to have one more offensive possession than they do.
The philosophy is that your defense plays on emotion and your offense plays on preparation. First possession out, put your defense out there while the offense is still a little tentative and you have a feel for what they're probably going to do. You then at least have a minor bit of control in terms of whether you will get an extra possession - if you take the ball first, you will never get an extra possession. Then your offense comes out to start the second half with adjustments in hand and a chance to gameplan a drive based on what you've seen in the game. You give your team a better chance to succeed this way - and that's true whether you actually succeed or not.
It's like saying that I picked the fastest race car to compete in a drag race but then screwed up the start and therefore second-guess the choice of cars. Granted I didn't succeed, but I at least gave myself a chance to succeed.
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Statalyzer
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10/09/12 05:37 PM
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If you take the ball first, you will never get an extra possession
Huh? Either team could end up with an extra possession.
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Dionysus
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10/09/12 05:54 PM
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Number of possessions is irrelevant as a metric on its own. Two possessions is no worse than ten if you don't score on any of them.
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ProdigalHorn
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10/09/12 05:57 PM
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If Team A gets the ball first, one of two things will happen outside of circumstances beyond the realm of planning. One, both teams alternate with Team A getting the ball back and ending the half with the ball. In this case, Team B gets the ball next and the alternate possessions continue. Two, Team B ends the half with the ball and gets it again to start the half, ergo they get the extra possession.
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ProdigalHorn
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10/09/12 05:59 PM
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Number of possessions is irrelevant as a metric on its own.
True, but it's the only stat that's relevant to deciding whether to defer.
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Hu_Fan
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10/09/12 06:14 PM
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Take the ball and throw three sideways passes to the flat on the first three plays. Then punt. Be sure and pass to a player fully covered with nowhere possible to run.
That will cure me of any false hope right from the start. The players themselves will settle down and take the edge off. OU players and fans will fall into their false sense of hope, but one of 'we got this.'
Now the Horns are ready.
Then on the next possession insert Jonathan Gray and run him all afternoon.
Edited by Hu_Fan (10/09/12 06:15 PM)
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georgecostanza
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10/09/12 06:39 PM
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Two, Team B ends the half with the ball and gets it again to start the half, ergo they get the extra possession.
But if Team A ends the first half with the ball, and ends the game with the ball, wouldn't they have the extra possession?
This extra possession thing can work both ways.
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Clean
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10/09/12 06:48 PM
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The philosophy is that your defense plays on emotion and your offense plays on preparation. First possession out, put your defense out there while the offense is still a little tentative and you have a feel for what they're probably going to do.
Our defense plays like it's on Xanax. Let's face it, covering kickoffs and playing defense are not things that this year's team does well. On the other hand, returning kicks and offense are our strong suites.
We've been lucky digging our way out of holes in the first half. What happens if you go down 7-0 (as usual) and then you have a turnover on your first posession? Now you may go down 10-0 or 14-0.
I say carpe diem. Let's build some m---o---m--e--n-t-uM!
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Statalyzer
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10/09/12 07:09 PM
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If Team A gets the ball first, one of two things will happen outside of circumstances beyond the realm of planning. One, both teams alternate with Team A getting the ball back and ending the half with the ball. In this case, Team B gets the ball next and the alternate possessions continue. Two, Team B ends the half with the ball and gets it again to start the half, ergo they get the extra possession.
Both halves have two possibilities:
X: Same number of possessions for both teams.
Y: One team gets both the first and last possession of the half.
If the first-second half go X-X or Y-Y, then both teams end the game with equal possessions. If X-Y then the team who deferred gets an extra possession. If Y-X then the team who didn't defer gets an extra possession.
(Granted all this assumes that there are no defensive / special teams return touchdowns, but I doubt anyone would mind their opponents getting two posessions in a row for something like this).
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NBHorn7
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10/09/12 07:20 PM
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We should declare victory and leave the field. 
If you invite trouble, he usually shows up.
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RJDriver
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10/09/12 07:22 PM
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In my opinion, it's simple. Defer. What happens in the first half is a sunk cost at the start of the 3rd quarter. So you either say to yourself, "hey, we're losing, good thing we get the ball." Or, "hey, we're winning, good thing we get the ball."
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ProdigalHorn
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10/09/12 07:25 PM
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But if Team A ends the first half with the ball, and ends the game with the ball, wouldn't they have the extra possession?
Possibly but at that point it's sort of beyond your control. The point is that to the extent that you can predict, you know that by deferring, you know you won't be dealt a short hand to start with. Obviously, turnovers change all that, fumbled kicks, etc... so any of those variables can change it. But all you can really control is given those other things being constant, you can assure that you will NOT give up an extra possession by deferring.
The better argument IMO is the strategic advantage of starting on offense in the third quarter.
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