texaus
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07/15/03 11:38 PM
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"On the outside but possible chance that Texas loses 3 of 4 of the KState, OU, Nebraska and A&M games."
if that happens(unrealistic as you say), then we'll discuss it. however, that's about as likely as aTm winning the Big 12 this year.
is Franchioni under pressure if the streak against his rival(Tech) and continue? what about a bad loss to TX at home? what if he gets an absolute ass-kicking in Norman? what if he finishes 5th in the Big 12 South? does he have a free pass for "cleaning up the mess RC left", or did he call bad games b/c you think you're supposed to be better than Tech, OK ST, and Missouri?
Recruiting DOES matter
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dollylama
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07/15/03 11:41 PM
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TEX-ASS err AUS -
Funny post. I'm sure all the former Fijis and SAEs that lurk here will get off on the chick analogy and tell you you're the greatest. One question, and try to be honest. If it was 1999 and Fran was born five years earlier and had made the exact same stops with the same results at NM, TCU and Bama, and he left to come to Texas, how stoic and patient would you be?
Recruiting DOES matter - but a coach who can win the big game doesn't suck
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texaus
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07/15/03 11:45 PM
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"If it was 1999 and Fran was born five years earlier and had made the exact same stops with the same results at NM, TCU and Bama, and he left to come to Texas, how stoic and patient would you be?"
currently that wouldn't happen here. you're school is a different story.
coach smack? care to compare performances? look at your depth chart btw.
Recruiting DOES matter
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kablooey
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07/15/03 11:50 PM
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In reply to:
Recruiting DOES matter - but a coach who can win the big game doesn't suck
Care to enlighten me as to which big game Dennis has won?
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MikeUT89
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07/15/03 11:55 PM
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The TCU gig would look more impressive if they floundered after he left, a la Carolina completely falling apart after Torbush took over for Brown.
If anything Patterson improved the TCU program over Franchione. Did Torbush improve on Brown at Carolina?
Plenty of TCU people say that Patterson was/is the heart and soul of that program.
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dollylama
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07/15/03 11:56 PM
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No coach smack intended. Any Aggie who tells you he's not jealous of Mack and his success in Austin, title or no title, is a liar. But knocking us for finally getting someone besides RC on the sideline, especially if that someone is a coach that Bama was sick to lose? Come on now, you can find better "look at poor Aggy" material than that.
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hollisdude
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07/15/03 11:57 PM
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dollydude - Nice trap, but ... we "might" lose two of those four (KState and OU) - but Mack has passed his test. If, looking back, we gave Mack three years to produce - then in my opinion he certainly did produce. He produced in all ways possible. Did he win an NC? No. But in my mind, what I wanted was a consistent program that won every year and challenged and got back into the top 10. I wanted Texas to be respected again. Mack did all those things in his first three years. Now it's time for a little more expectation on our part. 11-2 is great. Top 5 is great. But an NC has to come. The beast demands to be fed.
Now - I would think Ags are willing to give Fran three years to do exactly the same thing. If he doesn't have you back in the top 10 consistently, if people don't fear playing the Ags again, if he's not elevated the program - then I think I know Ags well enough that he's done. If you don't get what you want in three years - then you got the wrong guy. If the Ags go 6-6, 7-5, 8-4 over the next three years, well I think Fran has failed the test. If he's not in the 10-11 win plateau by year three .... y'all been sold a bill of goods.
 "youth is wasted on the young"
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dollylama
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07/15/03 11:59 PM
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kablooey -
Not saying he has. Just pointing out that all the 5 stars in the world may never even land Mack a single conference championship if he can't win a couple of big games each year.
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MikeUT89
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07/16/03 12:05 AM
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Has A&M ever had consecutive Top 10 finishes?
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kablooey
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07/16/03 12:05 AM
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Maybe if Dennis does his job whipping your ass will once again be considered "a big game."
As opposed to just beating Nebraska and KSU on the road.
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RabidLonghorn
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07/16/03 12:07 AM
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Fran has not even coached a game, he has an average team, a tough schedule, yet the ag's are giving him the MNC and coach of the year.
Dream on farmers
dream on.
Aggy jackassery,Aggy jackassery,Aggy jackassery
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dollylama
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07/16/03 12:14 AM
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Mike -
Since you asked so nicely.
1939 1st
1940 6th
1941 9th
1956 5th
1957 9th
1975 11th
1976 7th
(close)
1985 6th
1986 12th
1987 9th
(close)
1992 7th
1993 8th
1994 8th
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hollisdude
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07/16/03 12:15 AM
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Mike meant since 2000.
"youth is wasted on the young"
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MikeUT89
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07/16/03 12:15 AM
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Thanks.
More impressive than I thought. The early 90s editions were impressive.
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hollisdude
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07/16/03 12:18 AM
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Ah, impressive indeed Mike - when one considers the "Sherrill FedEx Factor".
"youth is wasted on the young"
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MikeUT89
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07/16/03 12:23 AM
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I expect Franchione to do well at A&M. But not enough to satisfy sky-high expectations. Anything better than 6 wins would be great this year in my book, but my Agg buddies claim that 8-9 wins is reasonable.
For some strange reason he reminds me of John Mackovic. Franchione is not a warm guy and is very "corporate". His history also suggests his teams are susceptible to losing a few every year they shouldn't. I'm not sure that will fly any better in BCS than it did in Austin.
And Franchione will get ZERO breaks from the media if he stumbles. His personality and controversial history will hurt him badly if he doesn't hit a good stride in three years.
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dollylama
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07/16/03 12:23 AM
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I wasn't going to add this bit of trivia, but I changed my mind.
A&M's Conference Record
1985 1st
1986 1st
1987 1st
1988 1st
1989 T-2nd
1990 T-2nd
1991 1st
1992 1st
1993 1st
1994 1st
1995 T-2nd (South)
1996 3rd (South)
1997 1st (South)
1998 1st
1999 T-2nd (South)
I guess I'd want to forget the 80s and 90s, too.
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kablooey
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07/16/03 12:26 AM
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People seem to forget that the springboard for our success was the 9-3 season we had in 1998 and all the positive press we got for turning this program around and Ricky.
9-3 begot the #1 recruiting class in the nation and so on and so forth.
We also did this without the competition that Dennis faces.
Aggy has no Ricky Williams and a tough, tough schedule. They should be running the George Bush playbook and lower expectations to the bare minimum and hope to exceed them. If not, they are not going to have a very fun time.
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texaus
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07/16/03 12:27 AM
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convenient stopping point. i don't blame you though.
Recruiting DOES matter
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CelisHorn
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07/16/03 12:27 AM
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In reply to:
but a coach who can win the big game doesn't suck
Its only a big game if we lose. What about beating top ten aggy at DKR? How about breaking NU's huge home win streak? How about beating top ten KSU on the road? How about beating top ten NU at DKR?
What big games has fRan won? And don't quote any DII/NAIA or Wac conference wins as big games. Dennis is the greatest coach never to beat a team that could finish ranked. And you call us hyped? 
BTW, I'm kind of shocked it took this long for aggy to limit the scope of college football to the mid 80's to later 90's. Congrats on holding true to aggy "tradition".
Edited by CelisHorn (07/16/03 12:32 AM)
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