Scipio Tex
07/13/00 03:04 PM
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Defensive Personnel Analysis
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I think our starting personnel on defense can be sorted into three distinct categories. A 4-3-4 if you will: four elite players, three good to very good players and four players with question marks. The ability of the latter to place themselves into the categories of the former will go a long way in determining whether we have an elite defense or simply a very good one. So without further ado: The Elites: Quentin Jammer, Casey Hampton, Shaun Rogers & Lee Jackson. These players will dominate at their respective positions. Hampton and Rogers are the best pair of DT's in college football. Hampton combines extraordinary physical strength (500+ Bench, can squat most European roadsters) with surprising mobility and a motor that never quits (how in God's name does an interior DL lead a team in tackles?); Rogers possesses raw explosiveness with an upside that not even Hampton can touch -- he led the country in TFL by interior linemen. These guys DEMAND a double team and have an amazing knack for making 1st and 10 running plays into 2nd and 12 passing downs. Lee Jackson is the most underrated player in the Big 12. He's an excellent tackler who brings the wood and, at 6'3" 210, he posesses surprising range. He is the prototype SS. If ignorant sportswriters can't recognize what he's doing out there, [censored] 'em. I love Jackson. Quentin Jammer will, possibly more than any other player, transform our defense from good to elite. He's got the size (just over 6' and around 200) to maul recievers at the LOS and he's got the speed and quickness to make plays downfield. Reese isn't prone to hyperbole and he's positively hyperbolic on this kid. We're going to have a secondary of headhunters folks. The Goods to Very Goods: Everick Rawls, Rod Babers, DD Lewis. Everick Rawls is our best LB and damn solid in every phase: coverage, tackling, intensity, recognition, consistency. Give me three of Everick at LB and I'll be a happy camper. Rod Babers is strong, quick, fast and despite standing only 5'9", he's built long -- long arms, big hands, tremendous jumping ability. This guy will be a stud soon. BTW, if Ervis Hill beats him out, it's because he'll have raised his game considerably too. At first I was hesitant to put DD Lewis in this group -- his recognition gaffes are considerable and I was disappointed in his tackle numbers last year, but from what I've seen and heard in the Spring he may have turned the corner. He's also close to 250 now -- maybe the weight will keep him at home even if his reads don't! Lewis is, at the least, a proven player and a team leader. The Question Marks: Greg Brown, Tyrone Jones, Cory Redding, Jermain Anderson. These are the guys who have to do it. We all know Brown is solid and heady but can he raise his level of play to that of his secondary mates? Can he make the plays that Jammer, Jackson and Babers will set him up to make? Cory Redding has all of the physical talent in the world, a great attitude, a phenomenal work ethic and nice parents to boot, however, he is not an elite or even proven player yet. He needs work. Don't smother him with expectations which are incongruent with the reality of the gridiron. He may still be a year away from stardom. Tyrone Jones has some parallels to Redding. He's a physical freak with a good attitude. He's also very young and looks more than a little lost out there. Physical stats don't always equate playmaking. And if they don't for Tyrone, Marcus Wilkins will be starting at SLB. Jermain Anderson is an interesting player who showed a knack for making plays but whether he can hold up against the running game or present enough of an upside in his pass rushing to forgive his run play remains to be seen. A big year from Jermain would mean a lot. Questions? Comments? Debate?
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UTEE
07/13/00 03:18 PM
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As always, I enjoy your analysis Scip. And it really underscores the main area for growth I see with our defense-- I think we have solid players in all 3 groups, and we have some total stud playmakers along the d-line and in the secondary. But we really need to see the linebackers come into their own and become serious, high-impact playmakers. Many publications have our LB Corps highly rated, and I think that comes from the potential they see, plus the fact that they're all experienced as starters. But I would love to see at least one of them come into his own and become a totally dominant playmaker, and I think that all three of them have the potential to do so. [This message has been edited by UTEE (edited 07-13-2000).]
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Y2J Compliant
07/13/00 03:22 PM
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One thing that sucks: It wouldn't shock me if all four of those elites are gone after this year. I'd think 3 of the 4 is pretty much a certainty. Of course, 2 of the 4 IS a certainty, so it's not like I'm really adding anything to this conversation. Never mind. I suck. (where's my Zoloft?)
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Scipio Tex
07/13/00 03:38 PM
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UTEE - Good point on the LB's. Our secondary and DL should be, as a whole, very stout. The ability of our LB's to fill the gaps is paramount to having a big year defensively. If we can hold opponents to 12-13 ppg like Texas D of yore, we're going into the Big 12 Title game with nothing more than one loss. DD needs to read better, Wilkins or Jones needs to come up big coming off the corner and Rawls just needs to keep doing what he's doing. Y2J -- You do suck. Thanks for reminding me that Jammer and Jackson may well go pro. If they return, we could have a phenomenal defense in 2001. If they don't, we'll need one of our old stalwarts like Brooks & Hill or one of the young studs like Collier & Vasher to come up big. Of course, 2001 is also right about the time when our offense will become ungodly good so it all balances out.
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Doperbo
07/13/00 03:48 PM
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Nice analysis Scipio, but you have to admit even your question marks aren't as questionable as in the not so distant past. One thing that is also comforting that is not really readily apparent from an analysis of the starting 11 is the depth of the backups that have the potential to play at a high level, especially in the secondary. Names like Dakari Pearson, Monti Collier, Kendrick Turner and the aforementioned Vasher or Brooks come to mind. Hope that brings back the warm fuzzies.
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westexhorn
07/13/00 03:49 PM
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Great analysis. I would add a 4th category between the goods and the question marks for DD Lewis and Greg Brown. I think that they have tremendous potential, but are a step short of the next level. Doperbo has a great point too, these question marks aren't nearly as questionable as in years past. [This message has been edited by westexhorn (edited 07-13-2000).]
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The Gnome Man
07/13/00 03:51 PM
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It is good analysis. It makes you feel pretty good when you're question marks include Redding, Brown, Jones, and Anderson. There is some serious athleticism in that group. It wouldn't surprise me at all if any/all of those guys are in the top group by the end of the season.
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Sixth Street
07/13/00 03:51 PM
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Nice analysis. The only player I might quibble with your assessment of is Greg Brown. I've heard some hyperbole from ol' Reese in regards to Mr. Brown as well as Mr. Jammer. And there is no way on God's green earth that a stud safety like Jammer would be moved to CB if Brown were still a question mark. Greg Brown performed in '99 at least a solidly as DD Lewis, and I would say he performed at a higher level than did Cory Redding or Tyrone Jones. Move GB up one level and you're on the money.
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echeese
07/13/00 03:54 PM
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Great great football post All you ags, this is what a football posts looks like. Is Reese's style of D one that showcases LB's? While we lose 3 of the 4 studs, I love the talent of the kids backing them up but it is a good point that the D may fall off slightly in 2001. Now do this on the O. ------------------ "The future's so bright we gotta wear shades"
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Scipio Tex
07/13/00 04:02 PM
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Doperbo -- No doubt. The four question marks all have potential. And, in many cases, if they don't live up to it, we have more than adequate (or in Wilkins' case possibly superior) 2nd stringers who can step in and do the job. Just two short years ago, we knew our starting corners were going to be bad no matter what we did. We won't be resigned to a similar fate during Mack Brown's tenure ever again. Our depth in the secondary is simply extraordinary. It's very likely that we're going to put our three starting corners from last year into reserve roles. That's unprecedented. As for S, Pearson and Geiggar are regarded as extraordinary talents by our coaches. We've come a long way baby. west -- Good point. DD and Greg are veterans and probably don't fall into any clear category. I'm being optimistic on DD -- I've been talking about his suitability for OLB rather than MLB since day one. Maybe he puts it together this year. I think Greg Brown's primary function will be one of steadiness and proper reads -- we'll be asking other folks back there for the spectacular plays.
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Scipio Tex
07/13/00 04:20 PM
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Sixth Street -- Good point on Greg Brown. He's not a question mark. As for Reese's comments about Greg, I think they need to be read within the context of his being a total surprise to the coaching staff and a godsend to us all. Reese would rate Brown as the least of our four starting secondary guys. Re: moving Jammer, CB is the #1 priority in Reese's philosophy. Brown proving his mettle at FS certainly helped the decision. echeese -- All you ags, this is what a football posts looks like. I'll be honest with you, this applies to some Horn fans on here too. Far too many people think that the primary purpose of this board is to post links about Aggies and write piercing analysis like "Aggies are real [censored] gay. Look at me everyone!" I'd rather talk football with non-flaming enemy fans than be subjected to the insipidity of our resident know-nothings who feel they need to post five times a day about absolute [censored]. Is Reese's style of D one that showcases LB's? Sure, you just have to have LB's good enough to showcase themselves. A classic MLB or a pass rushing OLB would positively thrive in Reese's schemes.
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Sixth Street
07/13/00 04:33 PM
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Scip, No doubt that Brown rates the lowest of our 4 starters in the secondary; however, as so astutely pointed out, the simple fact that he is a starter amongst such a talented group of DBs speaks well of him. I imagine there will be quite a few all-conference DBs around the country this year that would rank behind Jackson, Jammer, and Babers. Man, life is good.
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SeattleHorn
07/13/00 04:35 PM
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Thanks for a great post. Regarding Jermaine Anderson, I hope he excels at RDE, but if he doesn't, who else has the most upside at that position? Haywood comes to mind, and I hope he gets his chance there too this year.
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24 ounce porterhouse
07/13/00 04:45 PM
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I agree with sixth street. No way whatsoever that Greg Brown is a question mark. I think he belongs in the very good category or possibly the elites.
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Teutonic Exile
07/13/00 04:56 PM
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Thank god for some football discussion. Reese has openly stated that this may be the most talented group of athletes that he has ever coached on defense. This makes me happy. What doesn't make me happy is our situation at DE.
Against the pass, I don't see this defense having any major deficiencies. The conferences landscape is suddenly changing, and we now find ourselves playing some burgeoning passing teams within the south. We'll also play some rinky-dink pass happy teams OOC, but they won't be much more of a tune-up (Damn, I wish we played Hawii). Anyho, I see us running alot of Nickel and Dime stuff against these bzaaches. We have LB's that have good coverage ability. We have DB's out the yazoo who aren't afraid to kick the crap out of the WR lining up two yards from them. Our DE's will tee-off on these O's, forcing early throws (not many sacks). This will spell the demise of these chuck and duck teams. I have no worries about them. The teams that worry me are the traditional running teams. This is why I worry about DE. It seems like our DE's are perfectly suited for passing teams. But, this isn't the case against the like of Nebraska, CU, Ags, etc... To win these games were gonna have to find some big boys who can handle some 300lb tackle slamming up against him. I envision some sort of evolving defensive end rotation with the like of Haywood, Pittman, and Lee thrown into the mix against these kinds of teams.
If Reese can find a way to solve this problem (and I have a devout faith in the abilities of Reese), then the Defense is gravy. With all of our problems solved with could then move onto more pressing matter like naming the defense.
I'll even tee off: I nominate that the duo of Rogers and Hampton should henceforth be known as "The Fat Boy Avengers".
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Do I Make You Horny?
07/13/00 04:59 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Scipio Tex:
I'll be honest with you, this applies to some Horn fans on here too. Far too many people think that the primary purpose of this board is to post links about Aggies and write piercing analysis like "Aggies are real [censored] gay. Look at me everyone!" I'd rather talk football with non-flaming enemy fans than be subjected to the insipidity of our resident know-nothings who feel they need to post five times a day about absolute [censored].
I like to be a well-rounded individual so I enjoy wallowing in the "[censored]" around here while also cultivating my analytical side with the quality posts that you, PhxHorn, horndfl, etc. post on here. Truly, July is the worst month for a footbal fan;if purgatory is real this is what it would be like.
As for the original topic, I like your breakdown of the 4-3-4 concept except I have to agree with 6th street that Greg Brown should not be classified as a question mark. I believe he will be steady and a solid backbone of the defense.
The most important point out of this entire discussion is that the question marks how much more upside that question marks we encountered just a few years ago. Also I was hoping you could pass a little more insight into what the reads for the MLB. I know you mentioned that DD blew some reads, I was just wondering what to look for. As someone who has never been coached before I really don't know what composes of the different reads. I have heard before that it is guard, fullback, tailback or some such order. Is this true? And would this be applicable to the Mike linebacker in Reese's scheme?
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The Texas Kid
07/13/00 05:15 PM
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The D is going to be just fine. The only question mark so far as I'm concerned is DE, where we are replacing two very studly starters. I notice none of the projected DE starters for '00 are listed in your tier 1 or 2 lists, but as question marks. The depth of the secondary is pretty incredible. They were good last year despite being very green; I forsee nothing but improvement. Veteran Jammer and Rookies Giegger & Pearson make us geometrically stronger in the backfield. LBs were also very green last year, but this physically talented group should benefit from the experience and show improvement. Rogers and Hampton do, indeed, each require a double-team. If someone steps up at DE (the physical tools are there) requiring a third double team, look out. Hook 'em
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bamboozle
07/13/00 05:16 PM
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I also agree with 6th. Greg Brown is not a question mark. Very good observation on DD! He had a very good spring, and I believe he will step it up this year.
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Sixth Street
07/13/00 05:23 PM
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It unfortunate that we don't have a Rice or an NMSU on the schedule this year to give our young DEs a look at the option prior to facing Nebraska.
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AugieBall
07/13/00 05:58 PM
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I love our DBs. I think Jackson and Jammer are going to be awesome this year while Babers breaks into the starting CB slot. Brooks and Hill will get tons of PT, especially against all the passing teams we will play. Geigger and Pearson will also get tons of PT as our coaches rotate players to keep our guys fresh. Collier and Turner will also see the field. I would like them to get a look at ST. About the D-line, I see JA starting against passing teams, but we might have to move Pittman or Haywood over against A&M, NU, etc. We just need a bigger guy there to tackle Toombs and Alexander. Those guys are hard enough to bring down as it is. Hampton and Rogers will maul any o-line that doesnt double both of them. Hrm, 2x2=4, so that leaves one o-lineman to block Redding and Anderson. Doh!--sucks to be them.  I have faith that DD will have a good year. He will have the requisite experience, and this will be his time to shine. Rawls will improve on last years success. At SAM one of those guys will step up, I'm sure. I think our D is primed for a big year. If we can get our kicking game in order and keep the D from having to defend a short field, I think they will be way up their in scoring defense, which is the most important stat. That would go a long way towards balancing out the projected inconsistancy of our young offense.
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Bullseye
07/13/00 06:38 PM
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Great analysis, Scipio. Let me echo echeese in that it is so refreshing to read a football thread instead of the latest Aggie bash. I think your analysis of Redding was right on the money. I am afraid people are going to think he is a bust if he is not the second coming of Tony Brackens. The potential is definitely there, but he has much to learn and much to accomplish before he can be considered an elite player. Of all the players you mentioned, Jermaine Anderson worries me the most. This is mostly because there is no apparent backup to step in like Wilkins for Jones at SLB. Anderson reminds me so much of Norman Watkins. No matter how talented, he just isn't built for DE. I know that may not be a popular statement, but it is true. Also, McConathy doesn't have the size to play the end like Woodard did, nor the speed to play it like a Humphrey. He's smaller and slower. That ain't good. I hope someone steps up to take that position. I'm sure Bull will play the guy that is making the plays in practice and gives us the best effort on the field. Some have speculated that Tubbs or Pittman or Haywood might get a shot. They have before and all have been moved back to DT. Stevie Lee is the most probable solution if the existing ends don't step it up. Thanks again for a great thread.
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Do I Make You Horny?
07/13/00 06:52 PM
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Bullseye--The comparison of Anderson & Watkins may be right except that Reese knows what to do with a passrusher. I still feel ill every time I think about how Mackovic utilized Watkins. A good talent that fit in perfectly as a 3-4 rush backer but he was never allowed to rush! He just keyed on the RB and followed him. If the RB stayed in and blocked, Watkins still shadowed him and didn't even try to rush the passer!  Anybody here play LB in high school? Could you help me out on what the pre-snap and during play reads are for a Mike?
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PhxHorn
07/13/00 08:15 PM
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Jesus, Scip, I almost missed this thing due to ever present board clutter. Of course, these late nights at the Grayhound bus station are likely not helping my fading perception much, either. I think your 4-3-4 is on target. Greg Brown is a heady young man whom Reese covets because of his ability to call the secondary coverages. As long as Greg isn't forced into man coverage on the wide receiver, he'll likely continue his solid work of last year. With the passing attacks we'll see this year, I expect much nickel and dime from the Bull, which will allow Brown to play centerfield rather than get roped into mano a mano. On the defensive ends, it will be of interest to see how much technique McCrary can stuff into Redding and how fast he can get it there. His reported increases in size and strength will likely be an asset, but his pass rush, based on spring observations, has a ways to go. At the other end, who knows? Anderson is decent, but at 230-235, it's gonna be tough for him vs teams who can come right at him. Gordon may be our best rusher and Mo is up to 248, while McC is reported at 252. With those three, Reese can probably play committee and get around the issue. After that, I expect Lee to possibly see some snaps at end along with his tackle duties, and Doiron may be sufficiently developed to have a chance at early PT as well. I realize what your saying about DDL has more than a little truth. Still, last year was his first ever in the middle - the year on the outside played to his athleticism but didn't teach him a whole lot about reading the flow of the play. Also, it's tough for me to distinguish when he made a bad read vs whether he was filling an assigned gap in the Reese scheme of things. Carl does like to call the gap assignments in the designated defense. All in all, however, this is a defense that should be manly, to say the least. [This message has been edited by PhxHorn (edited 07-13-2000).]
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Scipio Tex
07/13/00 08:33 PM
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Anybody here play LB in high school? Could you help me out on what the pre-snap and during play reads are for a Mike? You asked, I deliver. MLB's actually have very easy reads assuming a standard 4-3 alignment. Think of the MLB and DT's as a triangle. This triangle is responsible for the integrity of the middle of the field extending from the outside shoulder of each opposing offense's guards (sometimes MLB can have beyond that but let's keep it simple, ok?). The MLB's gaps vary according to what you're doing with the DT's -- if they're slanting strongside or to the wide side of the field, The MLB probably has backside, if both DT's are lined up in 3 techniques (outside shoulder of the guard) you damn well better stay right in the middle of the field until you're sure where the ball's going., etc... When your positive that the ball is going outside of your triangle, you're free to run sideline to sideline. Watch for cutbacks, they're a [censored]. Your first key is ALWAYS the center but good MLB's also "see" the guards as well (for example, if a guard pulls -- you HAUL ASS in the direction he's going). Almost always, the center's first step determines your first step. If the center doubles a defensive tackle wih the guard, the read is simple -- the ball is coming somewhere to the center's outside hip -- meaning his free or open hip. The one the guard's not helping him on. Does that make sense? You have two choices: shoot the gap that the double created and try to stop the play in the backfield or run laterally to meet up with the ballcarrier at the LOS. If you see the center fire straight out at you, you try to figure out where he's angling, if at all (this will determine your disposition) -- you MUST meet him. Right after impact, you lock him out and look for the ball -- it's usually coming right off of his ass. Matadoring blocks works sometimes but in the long run you get burned. All of this happens in about a second and a half. Assuming you've now read the direction of the play correctly, you now have to acquire the ball through a visual screen of OL and traffic -- sometimes your own teammates. Your "key" now is simply acquiring the ballcarrier and taking an angle that gets you there. Overruning a play is as big a sin as underrunning. If you can't see the ball, look for the FB -- he's often leading the charge. Truly great MLB's can "see" the center, both guards and the backfield all at the same time. Think of those Apache helicopter pilots who are looking through their nightgoggles, at their radar and out of their cockpit for a visual readout all at the same time. They can integrate all of this knowledge at the same time and make a kill. They have vision-in-depth which they can coalesce in to "the big picture." Truly mediocre MLB's guess. They also "spy" or "peek" into the backfield, bypassing the reads that their center and guards give them. This may sound logical to you, but this is why teams run counters and traps. The MLB reacts to the counter step and then tries to recover in the correct direction. I earholed many a "spying" LB in high school because they lost their line reads and tried to determine their proper disposition simply on what they were "reading" (I say that charitably) in the backfield. There's your crash course.
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Do I Make You Horny?
07/13/00 08:49 PM
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Thanks Scip that is an excellent breakdown! I'm going to tape a few games this year and try to watch for some of those reads you listed. After that I'll probably be back with some more questions and comments.
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kchorn
07/14/00 12:00 AM
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Scipio - The football board must be getting difficult to read (or I'm just getting old), because I didn't see this topic until now -- nonetheless, it is an interesting review of the starting defense, and I particularly enjoyed your sterling analysis of the responsibilities of the MLB. Interesting, isn't it, that the Texas City guys are so much a part of the X-factor for the defense in the coming season. Wonder if Sendlein, Satchell and Doiron will figure into things this Fall. One thing you noted made a particular impression on me -- your comments re Redding. I agree and had suggested in an earlier discussion that we perhaps had not seen Redding completely healthy to this point. Do you have any reports re that issue? Thanks for the usual good work.
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DAMCM
07/14/00 12:25 AM
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Good post. I expect we'll probably see Babers make it into the elites soon. Who else of this group or the non-starters do you think has the potential to really step up a notch or two this year? Hook'em DAMCM
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Bomb Squad
07/14/00 02:38 PM
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Just a thought, I know that the backups for the most part are extremly young, but I wonder how many of them were AA in high school. Anyone have that information? Hook 'Em!
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Scipio Tex
07/14/00 03:10 AM
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Phx, glad you found it. I had to highlight this revealing quote by Phx Horn. Very relevant to recruiting. Greg Brown is a heady young man whom Reese covets because of his ability to call the secondary coverages. Some have questioned Mack's early offers to a couple of guys who weren't on "the lists." I won't go into the folly of questioning Mack's recruiting record (which is unimpeachable) but think about some of the characteristics of those "sleepers" and what role they might play for future Longhorn teams at FS and slot reciever respectively. Units need officers. Alright, enough preaching..... Carl does like to call the gap assignments in the designated defense. Like you, I can't very often determine gap responsibilities from my barcalounger, but for a MLB gap responsibilities become very clear when the DT is double teamed playside and you see a FB leading through the hole. Too many times last year DeAndre "peeked" into the backfield and took false anticipatory steps that sealed him from the play. It happened in the 1st NU game time and again on that fake reverse to Newcombe. #4 would run himself out of the play and Alexander would rumble for thirty right up the guy. NC State had some nice examples of that too.
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Scipio Tex
07/14/00 03:23 AM
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KC -- No idea on Redding's health. If he's ready to go in August, that's all that matters to me. He can learn a lot over the course of two a days and the early Fall schedule. Bullseye -- I think we see eye to eye on the Brackens thing. The guy is the second best DE in the NFL and I'm seeing folks on here posting that Cory will be much better. No undue pressure there or anything. The problem with that sort of person is that they'll blame Redding rather than their own deluded perceptions if he isn't All-America in his sophomore year. DAMCM -- Of our non-starters, Pearson and Geiggar are damn good (they should be FS and SS respectively when Brown graduates and if Jackson goes pro). Brooks and Hill are as solid as a rock. Collier certainly looked nice last year before his injury. At the risk of overhyping, Nathan Vasher has as much raw ability as any DB I've ever seen on film. The X factors at S down the road could be Sloan Thomas or Tony Jeffrey. The state of Texas churns out stellar DB's so frequently it's tough to imagine us having a secondary without elite players every year of Brown's tenure. Bomb - No idea. The problem with "All-American" is according to who? Parade? Emfinger? Your neighbor Bob?
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Showtime
07/14/00 04:27 AM
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Scipio, Thanks for the great post. I too read these boards religeously and I am so sick of the Aggie flaming and OU sucks crap that goes on here. It isn't funny, is bush league, and I wish they would delete this garbage. I realize that it isn't that easy to monitor a board like this though and they do a great job of it. As far as the defense, I am really interested to see Mr. Colorado #98(I've drawn a frickin bland). He looks to have great size and quickness. I have heard that he is tearing it up in the weight room. Hope this is true. I also have hopes that Reed Boyd will be a player. He is a big kid. I wonder if he is a possible future DE. I also wonder if I am the only one who thinks that Chad Stevens would make a bad ass center.
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Scipio Tex
07/14/00 01:16 PM
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Showtime -- As far as the defense, I am really interested to see Mr. Colorado #98(I've drawn a frickin bland). He looks to have great size and quickness. Ryan Haywood from Denver Jefferson. Ryan got a shirt, reassessed his attitude a bit and is now supposedly tearing it up. Last I heard, he's around 285 and getting strong. I'm not sure if he'll be playing DE for us or filling in for Shaun Rogers when he graduates. His potential is limitless. I also have hopes that Reed Boyd will be a player. He is a big kid. I wonder if he is a possible future DE. I also wonder if I am the only one who thinks that Chad Stevens would make a bad ass center. I think you're wish has been granted: Reed Boyd IS a player right now. He impressed our coaching staff all through Spring and he had a wonderful Spring game. Reed has the best instincts for the ball of our entire LB corps IMO. I don't see him at DE but what the hell do I know? As for Chad, I agree with you that his future may be as a blocking TE or at C. If he took a shirt this year, he could still have three years to bulk up and make his mark. He's a rugged kid who can maul people lined up across from him. I hope for the best for him.
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07/14/00 01:32 PM
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A very good post. My questions are two. 1) As you suggest, what could we do to improve the level of play in the question marks? I think Redding will learn and will do well in certain situations. The up sides for this type of player this year are two. First, he won't need to make a lot of plays in the running game. This dramatically simplifies his game...get into the backfield and kill someone. The other up side is that we've got another speed end on the other side that will help with back side pursuit. With both ends that contribute in this way, we'll cover a lot of mistakes spectacularly. Re Jones, he plays well as a pure blitzer...a la Babino in the cotton. This would obviously be best in your standard sets. Re. Brown, we just won't ask him to do a whole lot, and what he does, he does very well. So I do feel good about our down sides because they have good potential and we can cover some down sides with scheme. 2) Can we play some games to get our down side risks off of the field? We'll play lots of minutes out of the nickel or dime, and this will enable us to pull a question mark off of the field. We can also get another tackle onto the field against running teams...likely someone like Lee. My point is that different sets are likely to get us to 4-4-3 by your notation...so we just don't have as far to go. Two final points. One is that we've got pretty good depth, so that all of the pressure won't be on an Anderson to produce. There are two other guys of similar ability that may be able to help, and some tackles to throw into the fire if that strategy doesn't get it done. The situation is similar at DB, especially safety where Walker, Pearson, Brooks/Babers/Hill at safety, McClintock or a younger kid at LB. Two, I'm stunned that we have four difference makers on defense. That's insane and explains well why we were a top 10 defense last year against a good schedule. [This message has been edited by bat (edited 07-14-2000).]
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07/14/00 02:01 AM
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Bat -- Nice comments. 1) As you suggest, what could we do to improve the level of play in the question marks? Redding can improve the most by working on pass rushing skills (watching film, practicing moves endlessly, doing padless drills with OL) and doing chutework so that he stays low against the run. He needs to learn to use his hands to keep blockers off of him: he has a tendency to get bound up. His first step off of the ball is often straight up -- you'll notice that he got pinned several times in the 2nd NU game because of that. Greg Brown isn't on the field for his physical attributes but he'll get quicker from doing 7 on 7 work. Anderson should be stronger from his time in the weight room and Jones will hopefully be headier and more purposeful from general maturation and getting coached up. 2) We can play some games to get our down side risks off of the field. We'll play lots of minutes out of the nickel or dime, and this will enable us to pull a question mark off of the field. I totally agree with this. Reese will play us in the nickel and dime a great deal and we'll have some fearsome blitz packages out of those sets. Few opponents will be able to run the ball effectively enough to punish us for it. My worry is, of course, Nebraska. If we play a questionable run stopping DE backed by a questionable run stopping SLB, we could have some real problems. We could put Stevie Lee out there, but can he string out the lode option? Doubt it. We're going to have to walk up Jackson and Brown which will certainly stifle the Husker's running game but will leave our corners on islands and Wistrom running free behind our safeties. If our corners can completely dominate Newcombe and Davison mano a mano and Jackson and Brown can recover on play fakes to blanket Wistrom, we'll pull a sweet upset. That's a lot of doing though.
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07/14/00 03:24 PM
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Scipio, I can't remember the last post i enjoyed more than this one. Right now I'm packing my stuff for a move back to Austin after 14 yrs away. I'm having a very hard time containing my glee. Also looking forward to seeing the team in person for the first time since the TT stomp in Austin last season. Till then, a couple of Q's regarding personnel: OJ McClintock: is he working at willie in the 4-3? Any early predictions on his difference-maker potential? I still imagine the guy running like a marcus allen or OJ(!) clone from the backfield, given his great vision and body control as a HS RB. How do those talents translate to his defensive responsibilities/potential? M Mckay: Thoughts on his potential at DT? With his strength and current size, he seems like a throwback NG to me. Which would be key against the NU offense, no? C Stevens: What about DE if the fit on offense isn't found? Thinking about Stevens' potential on D brings up a few thoughts regarding the ability to really hit. Lots of big, strong, fast guys lay wood. But some (Westbrook) have a knack for really exploding at impact. Its a combination of many things of course, and Stevens seems to have it. Really, really laying wood from a down lineman's stance, ona guy who starts off just 2 feet from your face is a talent. While that makes him a candidate for a mean OL, it also seems to make a potential LB/DE. Thanks again for the great read.
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07/14/00 05:19 PM
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flash -- Welcome back to Austin! OJ McClintock: is he working at willie in the 4-3? Any early predictions on his difference-maker potential? Well, we know he can run. No doubt about that. His quickness is also superb relative to any LB. He's solidly backing up Rawls and learning to play Will -- we'll have to stay tuned. Wish he could have had a redshirt. He'll play special teams for sure. M Mckay: Thoughts on his potential at DT? With his strength and current size, he seems like a throwback NG to me. Definitely plugs it against the run. I think Tubbs and Lee have passed him though. He's still learning to play DT -- could have an epiphany -- who knows? C Stevens: What about DE if the fit on offense isn't found? Nope. Chad's too slow. No DE or LB in his future. Thanks for the nice comments.
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Showtime
07/15/00 01:18 AM
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This topic is too interesting to be on page 2. Scipio Tex has done a great job on this one. Back to the top.
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07/15/00 01:52 AM
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Scipio Tex, Do you see Cole Pittman at de? Is Rod Baber our other starting cb? All these defensive line problems can be easily solved if Mr. Colorado play up to his potential. I have high expectation for Haywood to contribute next year. Then again, he is only a RS fish.
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07/15/00 01:22 PM
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It's hard to add anything to this thread of merit. Everything has already been said, pretty much. Regardless, I still would like to see this hover around the top on the off chance that someone about to post an "I hate the aggies because they [censored] sheep" thread sees this and has a moment of clarity. As to the unbridled fervor some people are showing towards Greg Brown, I'm a little perplexed. This guy is needed for his leadership and wits, but to say he has yet to reach his potential is something I question. I think he has maxed his potential, and that's a good thing. He will play well this year and may get some postseason recognition locally, but it will be due to hard work more than pure ability. He's the Major Applewhite of the defense and we're fortunate to have him. Also, I'm honestly stunned at the lack of recognition that Rawls, Jackson, and Jammer have received. It's yet further proof that the sportswriters and preseason mag writers are fat, pasty hacks with little clue as to what the word research means. Further, they seem to suffer from the worst case of groupthink this side of BCS. This weeks Sporting News points out ND's Tony Driver as a guy that's switched positions and will make a drastic difference. How many years in a row is he going to be noticed for this? It's easy to make a better case with Jammer. Oh well, like Scipio said, [censored] them.
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Scipio Tex
07/15/00 03:19 PM
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bamboozle: Do you see Cole Pittman at de? Is Rod Babers our other starting cb? No, I don't see Cole Pittman at DE in anything more than spot duty. I'm projecting Roderick as our starting corner but that's coming completely out of my ass --he'll have to beat out two solid guys in Brooks and Hill. If either of the latter hold onto their job, it will be because they raised their level of play. Darwinian natural selection, a process long absent from the University of Texas, is back. Seeing solid starters lose their jobs despite the fact that they're improving and progressing is a very good thing for a football team. horndfl - I'm similarly perplexed at the hacks. If you'll recall, Roger Roesler was a first team All-Big 12 selection and All-American at the conclusion of last year. Extraordinary. Based on a sampling of preseason periodicals, I can only conclude that DD Lewis is our best LB, Redding is our best DL and Greg Brown is our top secondary guy. The more poignant question is: knowing what I know, and knowing that their assessments of other teams is similarly misguided, why do I still buy the [censored] things?! I'm a heroin addict mainlining Advil in hopes that it will provide a fix.
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07/15/00 03:46 PM
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Simply a tremendous post and thread. Thank you Scipio. One thing that has been brought up is Greg Brown being a heady player, such a vital component in a safety. Coincidence: What do Dak Pearson, Braden Johnson and Kendal Briles have in common? I am noticing a pattern beginning here, or am I jumping to a conclusion based on too little evidence? ------------------ "All great nations behave like gangsters and all small nations behave like whores." Stanley Kubrick
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Scipio Tex
07/15/00 03:55 PM
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What do Dak Pearson, Braden Johnson and Kendal Briles have in common? I am noticing a pattern beginning here, or am I jumping to a conclusion based on too little evidence? I have a post on the recruiting board called The Importance of a Brain Trust in which I suggest the same thing. Carl Reese MUST have a smart guy in his secondary to call the coverages. The people who think that 40 times are the only determinant in your four starting DB's have probably never played a down of football in their lives and are mystified at why Brown starts at FS. Recognition and proper alignment are huge factors in secondary play.
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07/15/00 06:45 PM
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Scip--getting some great responses on this thread. To raise another question: What are the likely substitution patterns in the nickel and dime packages vs Tech and OU's passing formations? OU--How will we match up with a classic run-and-shoot offense? In the nickel, the best bet is that DD and Rawls will be the 2 backers in this set. Now who comes in as the extra DB? I suspect Brooks or Hill would come in and match over the #1 priority slot receiver. Now in the case of the dime package, which LB do you pull--DD or Rawls? Rawls may be better in coverage but DD has more experience patrolling the middle. Also which DB do you add to the mix? Do you insert another CB-type like Brooks or Hill or do you go with more of a safety type like Pearson, Walker, or Wyndham? Maybe you go with Brooks or Hill as the 6th DB but also shade Jackson closer to the line as essentially an extra backer. Tech--Now I heard that Leach isn't going to use just a pure run-and-shoot formation but also utilize a 3-wide set with a TE who may also motion out. Can anyone vouch about this? Whatever formation Tech lines up in they will still have a better running threat than OU. This of course makes it more interesting how UT will play this offense. In the nickel do you go with a Brooks or Hill and forego some run support or do you break in a saftey type who can provides more of a mix of coverage without giving some pop in run support? Or as stated above maybe you go with the smaller CB type and compensate with Jackson having added responsibility in run support. And will there be any extended use of the dime package against Tech? Interesting that both Tech and OU will be running some sort of Leach pass-happy O but with enough tweeks and personal difference to greater different threats.
The great depth and talent in our defensive backfield is a great boon in facing these types of teams but I am intrigued in how Reese is going to actually utilize his match-ups. What last question:Who do you think is going to be the leading sacker from the defensive backfield? My intutition says Babers with 3. This is going to be a fun year to watch! 
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07/15/00 07:27 PM
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Horny -- These are fun questions and I have a feeling that Bull Reese is dreaming up permutations as we speak. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of this sorted out in August when the coaches get a chance to look at our personnel in different situations. How will we match up with a classic run-and-shoot offense? Now in the case of the dime package, which LB do you pull--DD or Rawls? Also which DB do you add to the mix? We match up beautifully in the secondary with any passing offense in America. There are only a handful of teams in college football who have the quality of depth that we have at every position. In the case of the dime, I think Rawls gets pulled but Rawls and Lewis will rotate. Lewis brings more heat on the interior blitz because of his superior strength. Our nickel and dime back choices are down to three people IMO: Dakarai Pearson, Ahmad Brooks, Ervis Hill (and maybe the dark horse, Phil Geiggar). Pearson is the best athlete in our entire secondary and Hill/Brooks are old trustworthy vets. All three of them could line up to jam a slot WR and all three can freelance. I favor Ahmad Brooks as our nickelback (experience) and Dakarai Pearson as our dimeback. Who knows? That's why we have them compete in August. Remember, everyone is going to rotate anway, so we'll see at least 7-8 guys when we play a Tech or OU. Tech--Now I heard that Leach isn't going to use just a pure run-and-shoot formation but also utilize a 3-wide set with a TE who may also motion out. Can anyone vouch about this?[/b] Yeah, he will. And it's not a departure -- OU had a similar set last year. Just didn't run it much. We'll see some interesting looks from Tech as they try to utilize Shaud and Little Ricky at the same time. Their lack of a dangerous WR corps will prove to be their undoing though. We'll play a nickel and dime against them, but we'll jam all of their WR's at the line and cheat up our safeties to address the running game. I doubt if they can get behind us enough to make us stop. Who do you think is going to be the leading sacker from the defensive backfield? No idea, just depends on how Bull schemes it. Babers or Brooks might be quicker off of the corner than Jammer, but if Jammer gets in there from the blindside, it's a kill shot on the QB. We'll run tons of secondary blitzes this year -- it should be a lot of fun to watch.
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07/16/00 08:46 AM
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I seem to recall Greg Brown having some trouble against Nebraska in both of last season's contests. I don't know why he was at fault (step slow, read it too late, expected an option play), but it looked like it was his man getting open to me. Specifically, I remember the TE, Winstrom, burning him for two or three long plays. That sort of thing worries me a bit. ------------------ An opinion is a direct attack on the politically correct. gemini@hornfans.com
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07/16/00 10:03 AM
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Think of this: were we to do this with the offense, Chris Simms (not jumping the gun or making assumptions, just my gut feeling) would also be a question mark. Thus two of the players (Redding and Sims) that we call question marks were, according to gurus, the national defensive and offensive players of the year coming out of high school. Think about that. In the greater 'horn scheme of things, they are question marks. To everybody else, they were national players of the year. It is good to be a 'horn these days. As far as the OU sucks stuff, well, I have to demur to DIMYH: this is July, the equivalent of football purgatory. Sorry if any of my Lance Armstrong postings on the football board have offended anybody. Cakes
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Scipio Tex
07/16/00 04:18 PM
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jnecakes -- Lance Armstrong is an Austin native, a rabid Texas Longhorn fan and one of the great sports stories of all time -- I don't think it's offending anyone. I'd rather see a board covered in Tour de France posts than the "Look at me everyone -- I got banned at Ags.com for saying RC Slocum is a big queer!" posts. July has little to do with it -- the Fall will bring the magnificent insipidity of stadium yells and "Name the Defense" posts. gemini -- Brown was toast against Nebraska. It really is a hard offense on free safeties because of the incalcuable number of responsibilities Nebraska's O foists upon you. If you lack great closing speed and quickness, as Brown does, you're going to have some trouble when the TE releases deep after you've been running up the last dozen plays in run support.
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07/16/00 08:33 PM
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ttt This is a great read.
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07/16/00 08:35 PM
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Scipio-this post reads like the battle plan of the 1st Marine Divsion when we go to 29 Palms for live fire training -exacting, detailed & extremely accurate. Since you were so kind to answer MesoHorny's question I have one for you as well. Can you please define or explain the role that the DT's & DE's play in run support & in the pass rush. A point I do wish pass to you also if I may- There may be some Longhorn fans who do not realize what Carl Reese can do for this defense- For those folks I suggest this: Get the tape of the LSU-FLORIDA game 3 years ago I think & watch what he did with an undersized young defense- 7 sacks & 3 INTs against the Gators-not too bad. ttt ------------------ "UNCOMMON VALOR WAS A COMMON VIRTUE"- Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz, speaking after the battle of Iwo Jima about the Marine Corps.
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I played MLB for about 4 years. Our coaches taught us to key the backs. The backs were our first and primary read. If we noticed a pulling guard, then go, as you state. But our first read was the ball and the backs. Of course that was 30 years ago at the Jr High / HS level. Not that I necessarily disagree with your analysis above, but it's just not what I recall my coaches drilling into us. Maybe times change. Or maybe our coaches sucked. Redding: I just don't personally see Redding as questionable. Though he did not start until Ark (and then only because of Hump's trouble), the guy had many great plays during the time he was on the field. He was B12 frosh D player of the year. I understand unfulfilled expectations ("if he doesn't come on like Brackens," etc.}, but Corey Redding will be high quality player this year. This is based on last year's performance. I remember a post by bat two years ago where he got flamed for predicting Jammer would break out. Compared to Quintin two years ago, Corey is a no-brainer. What I'm trying to communicate is that I disagree with Redding being placed in category 3. Tell you what -- if Corey DOESN'T come on and come on early, our D is in deep doo-doo.
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Scip- Incredible analysis. My question will be is are we going to stop giving up the long ball. When we first beat Nebraska last year, we gave it up quite a few times as well against a&m. These were schools without great passing ability but managed to go deep on our team. Do you think that since Jammer is back that he will help with this problem? I think we have incredible depth at DB's but why did we get burned alot last year?? Thanks! Hook'em Horns!
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07/17/00 02:59 AM
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Oh- Scipio- are you going to do a post dedicated to the offense as well. ttt ------------------ "UNCOMMON VALOR WAS A COMMON VIRTUE"- Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz, speaking after the battle of Iwo Jima about the Marine Corps.
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Let me second navblue in saying Mr S needs to get busy with this type of analysis of the O as well. Very nice job and a good football read. Keeping this on the D side of the ball, how does everyone here anticipate D substitutions against the predominate running teams, aTm CU KU etc. Will that change the coverage/players in the backfield and now that Haywood is on tract, is he projected at tackle or end? ------------------ "The future's so bright we gotta wear shades"
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This is too good to allow it to be buried under another "aggies [censored] sheep" thread.
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07/18/00 08:19 PM
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navblue -- Thanks for the kind words. I don't have time for a big DT and DE post, but I'll give you the short version: DE's contain and DT's get a push. XOVER -- I think you may have been in a K.I.S.S system which works well in high school ball (particularly in the early 70's) but you might have some problems with that sort of keying in college or even against more sophisticated modern high school programs. The danger of keying off of the backs is that misdirection in the backfield makes you take false steps and when you try to correct, the OL or FB already has you sealed off. Had you looked at the OL initially, you'd know where the play is headed -- irrespective of backfield fakes or counters. As for Redding, I think he's going to be great, it's simply a question of when. I favor 2001 to be the year. He's still got a lot to learn. Ibleedorange -- Will we stop the long ball? No! Will we stop it better? Yes! Remember, our DB's are only half of the equation in stopping the long ball. There's no doubt in my mind though that our two starting CB's are going to give opposing WR's major fits. That said, we will give up some deep passes -- it's simply the nature of Reese's defense when you put corners on an island. echeese -- How will we sub against running teams? I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of Stevie Lee and Ryan Haywood at end. We'll also walk Lee Jackson up, particularly against the TE-less Aggies.
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Thanks for the effort, ST. ttt
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Question re Stevie Lee at end. He looked like our best 2nd string DT in the spring game (at least to my untrained eyes). I am very excited about his future. However, as we saw last year, we need better depth at DT to keep our big guys from wearing down. Wouldnt you see him being the 1st guy off the bench for that position? Against the tough running teams, we will need fresh guys at DT on every play. Secondly, assuming that my judgment (concerning Lee's impressive skills) was correct, wouldnt we then move one of our smaller reserve DTs to DE to play the run? I think many of those people who believe Haywood and Pittman are more suited to it base their opinions on their size. I am included in that school, uninformed though I tend to be in football matters.
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Thanks Scipio for the short & dirty version. I appreciate it very much. Perhaps later when you get a chance you can address the question in depth. HOOKEM & Keep posting!!!! ttt ------------------ "UNCOMMON VALOR WAS A COMMON VIRTUE"- Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz, speaking after the battle of Iwo Jima about the Marine Corps.
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Scipio, I really appreciate the work you put in on this great informative post. Like others, I would like to see you do one on the offense. Thanks!
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One of the best threads of the offseason, nothing to add just wanted it at the top of the board. Any additional thoughts on Haywood, he sounded like a stud when we recruited him yet not much discussion of him so far? ------------------ "The future's so bright we gotta wear shades"
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