Y Sanchez
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10/31/11 09:21 AM
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Re: Richard Dawkins at Rice, Monday Oct 10 at 7pm
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There are a BUNCH more of us than you would believe.
Its just that the popular media portrayal of people like me is not exactly what I would call fair. It is a whole lot easier for people on the other side to proselytize (double entendre intended) us as THEY want us to be to rather than what we are to further their own agenda. We are the only group that it is okay to slander anymore in the media. If the media portrayed any other cultural group the way that they do us they would be hounded out of the business as intolerant bigots, racists, homophobes, whatever....
If you focus on ANY groups wing nuts and assume they are the norm then you are wrong and pretty much a dumbass.
But what the hell do I know? I am a EC that loves South Park, a cold beer, good scotch, and a premium cigar from time to time.
"Personally, I believe a rocking hammock, a good cigar, and a tall gin-and-tonic is the way to save the planet." P.J. O'Rourke
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Perham1
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10/31/11 12:57 PM
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Re: Richard Dawkins at Rice, Monday Oct 10 at 7pm
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There are a BUNCH more of us than you would believe.
You're probably correct.
I think there's about 7 evanglicals out there who actually take Jesus' sayings to heart, and in reality there are probably at least 2 dozen. That's like a 240% increase.
Sorry, but when I see most evangelicos bash gays and dismiss the poor (and isn't it nice when the poor also happen to be illegal immigrants) I don't get the impression they really care much about what Jesus said.
I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best. Oscar Wilde
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Trusted Insider
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11/01/11 07:31 AM
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Re: Richard Dawkins at Rice, Monday Oct 10 at 7pm
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The biggest evangelicals on this site are not who you would think they are, Y Sanchez.
In fact, they're not even christians 
"I agree that you think that" - Aaron P. Simpson
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Y Sanchez
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11/01/11 09:32 AM
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Re: Richard Dawkins at Rice, Monday Oct 10 at 7pm
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Sorry, but when I see most evangelicos bash gays and dismiss the poor (and isn't it nice when the poor also happen to be illegal immigrants)
Most of the evangelicals you know? See on tv? Related too? Or most of the evangelical population?
I take exception. ESPECIALLY about treatment about the poor. Every church I have been a part of has done outstanding work reaching out to those in need (especially those who MIGHT be illegal aliens). The Church I belong too now even though it is a Baptist Church allows the local Hispanic community to hold Catholic services in our Sanctuary. I am sure some of them are illegals but we don't really care. Church is not a place for politics.
I am wondering if you are taking what you THINK evangelicals believe when it comes to politics and draw your opininons about that from those beliefs.
I can easily correlate my opinions about the Federal Government enforcing existing laws about protecting our borders and at the same time welcome illegals into my Church. I can easily donate time food and money to our churches food bank and at the same time wish the Government would DECREASE the budget for ALL Federal Agencies by 10% a year for the next ten years.
The Federal Government takes dolllars, issues ten dollare worth of regulations, and gives out pennies to those in need.
Just because you, CNN, and every prime time tv show think I am a hypocrite does not make it so.
"Personally, I believe a rocking hammock, a good cigar, and a tall gin-and-tonic is the way to save the planet." P.J. O'Rourke
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Dionysus
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11/01/11 09:53 AM
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Re: Richard Dawkins at Rice, Monday Oct 10 at 7pm
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In reply to:
The Church I belong too now even though it is a Baptist Church allows the local Hispanic community to hold Catholic services in our Sanctuary. I am sure some of them are illegals but we don't really care. Church is not a place for politics.
This, in short, is the essential virtue of Christian thought and behavior. Very well said, Y Sanchez.
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I can easily correlate my opinions about the Federal Government enforcing existing laws about protecting our borders and at the same time welcome illegals into my Church.
Bravo.
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jcdenton
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11/04/11 05:38 PM
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Re: Richard Dawkins at Rice, Monday Oct 10 at 7pm
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Did anyone else catch Dawkins and Hitchens at the Texas Freethought Convention the weekend prior?
Dateline sent a reporter from Australia (where the Global Atheist Conference will be held next year) and did a segment on it. I make a couple of cameos: The Link
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jcdenton
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11/04/11 05:50 PM
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As for the notion of Dawkins being "close [sic] minded", he has stated numerous times that he is open to the possibility of a God existing; however some valid evidence would need to be presented (or discovered) first in order for him to change his view:
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Dawkins posits that "the existence of God is a scientific hypothesis like any other." He goes on to propose a continuous "spectrum of probabilities" between two extremes of opposite certainty, which can be represented by seven "milestones". Dawkins suggests definitive statements to summarize one's place along the spectrum of theistic probability. These "milestones" are:[2]
1. Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."
2. De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."
3. Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."
4. Completely impartial. Exactly 50 per cent. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable."
5. Leaning towards atheism. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical."
6. De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."
7. Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one."
Dawkins argues that while there appear to be plenty of individuals that would place themselves as "1", no thinking atheist would consider themselves "7", as atheism arises from a lack of evidence and evidence can always change a thinking person's mind. In print, Dawkins self-identified as a '6', though when interviewed by Bill Maher, he suggested he might be '6.9'[3].
The Link
Contrast this position with those who claim that nothing could ever convince them that God doesn't exist. Is that not infinitely more closed-minded?
Personally, of the theists I've posed the above question to, all but one have said that nothing could ever convince them that God isn't real. The only one who answered differently said that it would require God himself to tell him that God isn't real.
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Hornin' In
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02/08/12 04:02 PM
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Daugher and her dukie friends saw Dawkins on campus in Durham. Were very disappointed at his presentation. A combination book selling schtick and high school biology. Her pre-med friends found it sadly funny.
"If any man says he hates war more than I do, he better have a knife, that's all I have to say"
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Dionysus
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02/08/12 04:41 PM
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A combination book selling schtick and high school biology.
Confirmed. That’s about the extent of the presentation we saw.
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Texanne
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02/08/12 05:23 PM
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I'm clothes-minded.
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
-- Samuel Johnson
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