texexted 250+ posts
04/01/12 09:15 PM
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I hope Aston is a success but I don't believe Texas is hiring the best coach out there. Why? Is money an issue after Coach G and the lack of return on the investment and dwindling ticket sales? Maybe Texas is looking for a bargain and hoping they've found a gem.
Again - hoping for the best but it seems like a strange hire of a coach who hasn't proven herself at the elite level.
Too bad we can't thrown a dump truck of money at Kim Mulkey and bring her to Texas.
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cynt 500+ posts
04/01/12 09:21 PM
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IDK. But I hope they don't make a hasty decision. If its a no name Empress n Imani bail. That's the only thing that concerns me.
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overseasbbfan1 1000+ posts
04/01/12 09:25 PM
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Mulkey is the last person (well, second to last after Geno) I would ever want to see coach at Texas. But it's a mute point because it would never happen anyway, and esp not this year because Griner is only a junior. Kim isn't about to leave what I'm sure she expects will be back-to-back championship seasons.
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Leeroy Jenkins 25+ posts
04/01/12 09:28 PM
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I'd have to agree with Overseas on that one. Who would leave when you have the whole team coming back next year and a once in a lifetime player who's going to be a senior? Just bad timing for that kind of a hire.
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texexted 250+ posts
04/01/12 09:30 PM
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Good point about Mulkey/Griner but I'd take her in a heartbeat. Are you kidding? One of the top 4 coaches in the country. Love her passion as much as her record. I'd take Geno too. And Tara. And Muffet. Best coaches in women's ball coached in Final 4 - no surprise.
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JohnnyYuma 500+ posts
04/02/12 05:29 AM
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GG was Final Four coach too. How did that work out for us??
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ViperHorn 2500+ posts
04/02/12 06:16 AM
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The hire will be the safe hire. Texas WBB fortunes have fallen like a rock. Right now the most important thing is to stablize and beging to get back into the conversation with the top tier of recruits.
Anytime Baylor is our recruiting you, you have BIG internal issues.
Remember - the ugliest girl in the class is still the ugliest girl in the class no matter how much money daddy has.
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coolhorn 2500+ posts
04/02/12 07:42 AM
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This isn't intended to rain on anybody's parade, but...yes, UT's probably hiring the best available women's basketball head coach in Karen Aston.
UT women's basketball is about where Nebraska football's been for the last several years. They have a great history, but they haven't done much recently. Yeah, UT has the resources and the facilities, but you can't live on reputation forever.
I've seen the wishlists of coaches to replace GG. Plonsky's not gonna hire a man, so that lets out the Kentucky and Louisville coaches. Most of the others also have solid situations where they're at, and it isn't likely they'd want to leave to take on the challenge of restoring UT's team. For those that keep insisting UT look at Mulkey and Blair, please...it ain't happening and they aren't leaving their jobs to come to Austin. I'm also pretty sure the other coaches have heard and seen the diminishing fan support, the infighting on the internet, and know of other potential stumbling blocks to success in Austin.
I frankly don't see that much wrong with Karen Aston. She has UT ties. She can recruit very well. She's a good x's and o's coach. She will have the same kind of support from Jody Conradt that Mack Brown had from Coach Royal when he came here.
Plonsky went for the splashy hire five years ago. How'd that turn out for us? On balance, I think Aston IS the best AVAILABLE coach for the women's basketball team, and deserves support until/if/when she proves otherwise.
"Where is the church. Who took the steeple. Religion's in the hands of some crazy ass people." (The gospel according to Jimmy Buffett)
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basketsofhorns 100+ posts
04/02/12 07:44 AM
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Yes, the WBB team has missed out on some great recruits. I think the comment that the program is really in trouble if Baylor is outrecruiting us is interesting. Baylor Football, not UT had a Heisman trophey winner on their squad last year. The football team was outrecruited by Baylor.
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justawbbfan 25+ posts
04/02/12 08:18 AM
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I don't know that hiring a "big name", proven, elite coach would work out any better than hiring Karen Aston. As others have said, they tried that the last time out. All of Aston's work has been in Texas save for the 4 years in Charlotte, and have been at "elite" programs (UT, Baylor x 2). She's been an assistant for some outstanding coaches - Jody, Kim and Sonja Hogg - so surely she learned something along the way. Though her resume as a head coach is slim (but positive results) she still trumps Kim (had no head coaching experience when hired) and Sherri Coale (high school coach). So, while she may not be the "best coach available", I'm excited to have her at UT and look forward to seeing what she can do with the program.
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TempestHorn 500+ posts
04/02/12 08:26 AM
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I have to admit to being very curious as to whether we put out feelers to other coaches and were told "No" or 'Not interested" and are settling for Aston versus chosing this path because the big name hire didn't work out last time. I'm sure we'll never know that.
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Moooooo 2500+ posts
04/02/12 09:07 AM
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Well, most of my thoughts have already been covered by other replies in this thread.
As for Aston's recruiting, she did do very well at Texas from 1998-2006 as a whole. Were there some big misses? Sure. But everyone misses on some recruits.
Not sure how she did her one year at Baylor. I'm guessing she didnt' pull too many kids from Texas to UNCC in her 4 years there, and if she did, they weren't the "elite".
So, we are basically allowing Aston to rest on the laurels of how she recruited for UT back in 2006 and prior to that? 7-13 years ago? CUrrent recruits were in grade school back then, and probably can't even rememer the name Jody Conradt, let alone her assistant coach.
I can acknowledge she has ties in the state with coaches. But, if you think the elite in-state recruits "know" of Karen Aston, you have to get a reality check. Her "name" isn't gonna get us big-name recruits, that's for sure. Her hard work might. But, I just get the feeling recruits are going to take a "wait-and-see" approach, and that will take a couple of years minimum.
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Seattle4UT 1000+ posts
04/02/12 09:16 AM
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Goestenkors "big name" did not even result in the best players in Texas to commit to Texas. Aston will do well.
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bierce 2500+ posts
04/02/12 11:08 AM
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In reply to:
I have to admit to being very curious as to whether we put out feelers to other coaches and were told "No" or 'Not interested" and are settling for Aston versus chosing this path because the big name hire didn't work out last time. I'm sure we'll never know that.
Which is why the Regents, when asked to approve the contract, should grill Plonsky about whether she performed any diligence in her search. Coach Aston may be the best candidate, but without a search, research, and interview process how is anyone to know this?
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ViperHorn 2500+ posts
04/02/12 11:20 AM
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The football team was outrecruited by Baylor.
One player in one year does not portend a trend like what we have seen in WBB. Also, the football head coach saw the staff issue and seems to have addressed it.
Remember - the ugliest girl in the class is still the ugliest girl in the class no matter how much money daddy has.
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overseasbbfan1 1000+ posts
04/02/12 11:58 AM
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I could be wrong but I've always assumed the Regents were hands-off when it came to staffing issues. And I'm not even talking about just sports here, but academics as well. Isn't that why you have committees, administrators, deans, department heads etc? Of course if there was some kind of academic misconduct, or inappropriate behavior, or NCAA violation with respect to a sports program, they would have to get involved, but I've never really thought of their role as having anything to do with making, or even second-guessing hiring recommendations. Perhaps someone who knows more about how these things work can correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I've always assumed anyway. And I think that actually makes sense but, like I say, maybe there's more to the process than I'm aware of.
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bierce 2500+ posts
04/02/12 12:09 PM
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In reply to:
I could be wrong but I've always assumed the Regents were hands-off when it came to staffing issues. And I'm not even talking about just sports here, but academics as well. Isn't that why you have committees, administrators, deans, department heads etc? Of course if there was some kind of academic misconduct, or inappropriate behavior, or NCAA violation with respect to a sports program, they would have to get involved, but I've never really thought of their role as having anything to do with making, or even second-guessing hiring recommendations. Perhaps someone who knows more about how these things work can correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I've always assumed anyway. And I think that actually makes sense but, like I say, maybe there's more to the process than I'm aware of.
Hands off with respect to the final decision, but needing to act as the sole guarantor that a proper hiring process is followed. It is entirely appropriate for the Regents to ask the AD whether he or she posted the job, received applications, and interviewed qualified candidates.
Edit: However, it appears they rubber stamped or were given assurances diligence was followed in the search.
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Edited by bierce (04/02/12 12:17 PM)
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outlookdude 250+ posts
04/02/12 04:17 PM
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I think there are a lot of people saying the same thing in different ways.
I don’t think anyone is really questioning Aston’s ability to coach basketball. She is a good coach. But, the best coach needs elite players to match the expectations at Texas.
Aston has recruited and coached elite players in the past. The real question is if she can recruit elite players to come to Texas and play for her. That is very different than recruiting elite players to play for Jody Conradt.
That is why I was surprised, and why this is far from a safe hire. The safe hire is to spend money on a proven coach with a track record of recent elite success. You do that and no one can really question the decision…..or, at least you can point to plenty of logical and rational reasons to believe it would be a good choice.
I’m not saying this was a bad choice. I think Aston will do a great job if she can get the right players on campus. I have no questions about her ability to coach. I would encourage elite players to come be coached by her and her staff. But, I’m not the one who has to be sold.
If she can get the nucleus of the team back and the two commitments enrolled she should be in a good situation. Certainly better than most incoming coaches. There will be talent to work with. That should allow the opportunity for some success and something to build and recruit upon.
I don’t hate the hire. But, there is no getting around it being a gamble.
As to Aston being the only candidate interviewed………there are interviews, and then there are interviews. I think we have seen the Texas coaching hires commonly have only the candidate ultimately intended for the hire brought on campus. Not exclusively, but very often. That by no means indicates that there were no other conversations to gauge interest, talk about money or coaching staffs, or even informal interviews. Since those other candidates already have jobs they usually prefer that to remain private.
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Seattle4UT 1000+ posts
04/02/12 06:32 PM
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I am sure Texas got tepid interest from other coveted targets.
Aston has lots of upside...I like her chances.
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txtreefan 25+ posts
04/02/12 06:36 PM
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I am pretty bummed about this news. The program needs to look forward, not backwards. Ignoring the Jamie Carey years when a player essentially ran the offense, Texas has been consistently mediocre for over 20 years - anyone remember the 1990s? The game passed Conradt by somewhere around 1990, and while she remained an excellent defensive coach, x's and o's on the offensive end were bad to tragic against the top teams. My memories of the Marsden/Ashton/ Conradt years were of consistently doing less with more. Aston is a proven recruiter, but remembering the biggest bust of a number 1 ranked recruiting class in 2005 (injuries had only so much to do with that), she is a suspect evaluator of talent. She is coming in with something to prove, and I REALLY hope I am wrong about this, but I predict another 5 years of bubble teams, if we are lucky. And having this conversation again.
There is something wrong with the program - I have no idea what- but it beat down Goestenkors, who is 40 times the coach Aston is (and they are about the same age), why do we think a person who was part of the preceding mediocrity, has a mediocre record herself, no BCS conference head coaching experience etc is going to be able to fix it? Because she had/has Texas connections? The Ogumwike sisters gave TX a look because of Goestenkors. The glories of 1986/7 are long, long gone. I would love to be proved wrong, but I am not seeing it. If I am Stafford or Davenport, I am asking to be released as soon as it is officially announced. If you are an elite high school player, why come here, to a mediocre program, now with a no-name coach ??
I hope to be eating crow this time next year, but I predict a losing record, and a nose-five in recruiting and attendance. The more you lose, the more you lose. I fear this is a really BAD hire.
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Seattle4UT 1000+ posts
04/02/12 06:48 PM
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Give Aston 5 years.... goestenkors got 5.
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txtreefan 25+ posts
04/02/12 07:27 PM
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Sure, I'll give her 5. By then it will be fifteen years since TX made a final 4. Goestenkors did not pan out, but 5 years ago, I, and current and future players had reasons for optimism. Now??
I would have been much happier with Mitchell or Walz or Barnes-Arico or Staley. Someone young and hungry, but who has proven that s/he can turn a mediocre program around, and with a record of competing at the highest level. I hope Aston, at least, has the hungry part, but for the rest, not so much. At the risk of ageism, she's pushing 50. If she was going to be any good, she would have shown it by now. I hope she succeeds, but all signs point to the contrary.
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Branyon 1000+ posts
04/02/12 08:21 PM
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I wish her well, but I think I would have rolled the dice with the husband-wife team from the JC champs. Sure, no D-1 HC experience, just winning big every year.
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coolhorn 2500+ posts
04/02/12 09:44 PM
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I think a reality check is called for here. There's apparently a significant number of posters, perhaps myself included, who thought the top two candidates to replace GG are the two men coaching at Kentucky and Louisville. Whatever you might think in terms of gender discrimination, Plonsky has made it obvious by her actions that a man is not going to be chosen to coach the women's basketball team. It's obviously all her call to make, too.
There seems to be a general wish list of women head coaches that might make an adequate replacement for GG. However, most of them are already in good situations, and if there have been some back channel conversations, they've probably let it be known that the UT job doesn't interest them.
I keep seeing people talking about paying some fabulous salary to bring in a new coach. You can only money-whip these people to a point. Any coach who is satisfied in her current job, and making a decent salary, probably is more prone to say thanks, but no thanks to UT.
The first step in fixing a problem is in accepting that you have one, and UT's women's basketball team has several problems. The facilities and finances are there, but it's essentially been a couple of decades since the program's really consistently been relevant on the national scene. You can only live so long on your reputation, and whoever comes in to replace GG is going to have to fix a lot of things and make her own reputation, and pretty quickly, rather than trying to trade off of the school's name.
Karen Aston might not have been my first choice as the new coach, but she has enough positives to make me think she CAN succeed here where GG didn't. I'm also inclined to think, right now, she's the best coach that CAN REALISTICALLY be brought in with at least a passable chance of winning. She, the program, and UT are going to need some support a whole lot more than the internet sniping that she seems to be attracting right now. I don't speak for anyone but myself, but I will support her until she proves she can't do the job, and it will take more than a year to show that.
The truth is, in women's basketball, UT USED to be the Jones'.
"Where is the church. Who took the steeple. Religion's in the hands of some crazy ass people." (The gospel according to Jimmy Buffett)
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JoeDallas 100+ posts
04/02/12 10:17 PM
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The fact is, no one knows what it will take to get Texas back to good times. In my opinion, recruiting is the core of anyone's success. When Gail first got here, she was probably the biggest name nationally after Geno and Pat. I thought some of the top national players would come here just because of her, but I can't think of a one that did. I don't think we can assume that they would come for Walz, Frese, Mitchell, or anyone else, no matter their success elsewhere. I do not know why more of the good players have been choosing to be with Kim in Waco or Gary in CS instead of here. If Aston has the recruiting prowess and connections to Texas high schools she is known for, we might as well test that theory of how to get good players as going with the "big name" theory again. There are some other theories I would like to see tested --- an African-American coach or a male coach, but, if Plonsky is the sexist most people seem to think, I don't guess the latter would ever happen. Anyway, let's give Karen a big welcome and hope for the best.
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TJKDone 1000+ posts
04/03/12 01:26 AM
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I do believe she is the best available...I also believe there were a number of other coaches with higher profiles that would have come here in a heart beat.
"Fit" is very important in a coaching hire. IMO, this is true because you must recruit well enough to beat your competition. GG could coach players as well as anyone. She just didn't have the level of players that Baylor or A&M did at any time during her tenure.
I don't think you could find an available coach (i dont think Mulkey fits in that category) with a stronger track record recruiting Texas high schools than Karen.
The interesting part of the discussion is her coaching acumen. I will admit that I'm more excited than most to see Karen coach against the likes of Mulkey.
To me: very good recruiter + solid x/o coach equals top 25 at Texas WBB every year. Personally I think Karen will be a notch above solid on the coaching front and I know she'll get her share of players.
Looking forward to it.
Hook'em
Aggies represent Texas in about the same way the Branch Davidians did ~CajunHorn
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Moooooo 2500+ posts
04/03/12 06:48 AM
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As we've learned, we just can't predict who is going to have success on the recruiting trail. Coach G had great national recruiting success while at Duke, but that didn't translate here at Texas.
There's no question that the city of Austin and the University provide great appeal. But, the head coach has to be able to "sell it" to recruits. Of course, recruits choose a school for so many different reasons. Recruiting can't be an easy part of the job, but building a program starts with getting talent.
Just look at what volleyball coach, Jerritt Elliott has been able to do since he arrived at Texas. He had no ties to Texas, but he obviously knows how to recruit coast to coast; now, he now gets the best players in Texas (which wasn't necessarliy the case early on). Our only male head coach (in the women's athletic department) has built a consistent winner.
Kim Brackin was also able to recruit some studs from coast to coast. Unfortunately, that wasn't enough as there appear to have been some other issues which cost her her job. Whether that was athlete development, or performance at championship meets, she is moving on.
With Aston, there is so much "unknown", IMO. We are banking on her recruiting success from 1998-2006. There's no guarantee she can repeat that as head coach after 6 years removed from being at the University of Texas as an assistant coach.
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darius 500+ posts
04/04/12 12:30 PM
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I'm disappointed with the choice. Aston is coming to us fresh off a 15-16 year at UNT. Stellar. Before that, she coached four years at Charlotte, never won a regular season A-10 title (they won the conference tournament one year), and only went to the NCAA tourney one time, where her team promptly lost in the first round.
So, the new women's basketball coach at The University of Texas, in her career as a head coach, has never won an NCAA tourney game, has only been to the tournament once, and has never won a regular season conference title. THIS is the best we could do?!
This smells a lot like naming former assistant coach David McWilliams as UT's head football coach after he "proved" himself with a mediocre (7-4) one-year head coaching stint at Tech. We all know how well that worked out.
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Moooooo 2500+ posts
04/04/12 01:17 PM
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Well, at UNCC, Aston succeeded Amanda Butler who was hired by Florida back in 2007. I didn't realize that Butler succeeded Katie Meier, who is now at Miami (FL).
So, looks like UNCC was having success prior to Aston's hiring (enough that MIami and UF plucked away their head coaches):
During her two years as head coach at Charlotte, Amanda Butler compiled a 40-22 record that included two WNIT berths and a share of the 2005-06 Atlantic 10 Conference regular-season championship. Her debut season resulted in a 21-9 record, the most wins ever by a Charlotte coach in their first year, as Butler was recognized as the league’s Coach of the Year. This season the 49ers posted a 19-13 overall mark, advancing to the WNIT second round before losing to Virginia, 74-72.
Butler joined the Charlotte staff for the 2001-02 season as an assistant under first-year head coach Katie Meier and helped the 49ers to a 16-13 record, the program's first winning season in eight years. In her second year as an assistant coach at Charlotte, the 49ers captured the 2003 Conference USA regular-season title and earned the program’s first-ever appearance in the NCAA Championship.
She was promoted to Associate Head Coach the following season, and when Meier departed to take the head job at the University of Miami (Florida), Butler became the logical choice to assume the 49ers head position.
I guess we'd have to compare the job done at UNCC by Meier, Butler, and Aston to get a better picture.
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mb227 250+ posts
04/04/12 01:46 PM
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I'm disappointed with the choice. Aston is coming to us fresh off a 15-16 year at UNT. Stellar. Before that, she coached four years at Charlotte, never won a regular season A-10 title (they won the conference tournament one year), and only went to the NCAA tourney one time, where her team promptly lost in the first round.
Considering that Karen went 15-16 with much of the same talent that had only won FIVE games the season before and had not won more than 14 games in the previous five years (to include two other seasons with single-digit win totals), 15-16 isn't a bad record. To me, that says she got more performance out of the same players than did her predecessor...certainly something we need her to do HERE next season.
I'd be tickled if we got a five win increase, which would be what? 23-9? compared to this season.
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Moooooo 2500+ posts
04/04/12 01:56 PM
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It was disturbing that Nort Texas lost 7 of their last 9 games this past season (or something similar to that number) . .
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overseasbbfan1 1000+ posts
04/04/12 02:02 PM
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I don't think you can look at Aston's resume, or even how she stacks up against other Charlotte coaches, for clues as to why she was hired. Obviously there has been mention of winning 15 games vs. 5 the season before at UNT, but a losing season even given the turnaround probably didn't play much of a factor in her hire. This decision seems to be more about relationships, and her history with the program. And as far as her stints with Charlotte and UNT go, those are important only in that she spent five years as a HC, and did well at both places. No coach was going to make an NCAA championship run at either school, so that type of success is irrelevant with respect to her resume. It's more that her lack of HC experience is likley what prevented her from being considered a viable candidate in the past; now that she has that, it makes this a safer, or more justifiable decision. And in particular when combined with the other factors under consideration. In other words, they like her as a coach for a variety of reasons (toughness, recruiting ability, relationships, program history), but those traits weren't going to be enough to land her dream job without head coaching experience on her resume. And I took some of the comments in the press conference to mean she didn't necessarily understand this at the point she left Texas to join Mulkey's staff, but in hindsight she "gets it." And I guess you could say all's well that ends well because she finally has the job she's always wanted. I also think she would have been a likely candidate someday regardless, even though it's doubtful anyone expected the opening to come at this point in time. A liltle longer track record as a HC would have probably made this an easier decision, or lessened the criticism coming from some quarters, but it's the hand they were dealt by virtue of Gail's sudden, and unexpected departure. And Karen would have probably left UNT for greener pastures, and perhaps been unavailable if this had happened several years down the line. But none of that really matters because she has the job, and returns a great team to boot. And she is also done on the recruiting front through 2013, unless of course something changes between now and then. But given that we currently have 17 on the roster for the 2013-14 season, she can focus most of her attention on that all important 2014 class. We have 6 openings and there are a lot of highly ranked Texas recruits that year, most of whom are considering the Horns. There is certainly a lot of time to build, and nurture relationships, which should bode well for us.
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coolhorn 2500+ posts
04/04/12 02:07 PM
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I'm a bottom line person. Aston's the new coach, and I see a good bit to like about her. Solid recruiter, some solid mid-major head coaching experience, close ties with Texas high school coaches, and she brings both a UT pedigree and inside knowledge of one of the two main in-state rivals, the one that just went undefeated and won the championship.
To me, if there are any gripes about the hire, they should be directed in the direction of Chris Plonsky. I'm sure she probably talked to some other people, but just really interviewing only one coach looks from the outside like she didn't do her due diligence in this coaching search.
It's not Karen Aston's fault that no one else was interviewed, and it's more than likely, as was stated above, that Aston really was the best AVAILABLE candidate to get the head coaching job. I'd prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt starting out, rather than to try to find warts in her coaching background.
"Where is the church. Who took the steeple. Religion's in the hands of some crazy ass people." (The gospel according to Jimmy Buffett)
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Moooooo 2500+ posts
04/04/12 02:23 PM
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Well, Plonsky said she was impressed by UNT's performance in Austin this past season. Well, did she watch any of UNT's other games this season, especially toward the end of the season during that tailspin?
Again, no one is faulting Aston for accepting her dream job. But, Plonsky said a lot of things in the presser that when you think about them, leave a lot of gaps regarding the actual coaching search and job criteria . . .
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I still don't know if you understand the point I was trying to make. Obviously, in a traditional search, Karen's resume wouldn't have even got her looked at, much less interviewed. Four years at Charlotte and one at UNT are not calling cards for the position at Texas. Her stints at both schools only matter in that they gave her head coaching experience, and that she did well enough at each to allow Texas to hire her for all of the other reasons they wanted to. As far as whether she did better or worse than someone else might have at either school is irrelevant, and there's no way any of us can make that determination anyway. The point is she did good enough, and that's what matters with respect to her selection. No question, if she had been unsuccessful at either place, she wouldn't have been considered, and that's even if there might have been good reasons for why that happened. I would guess the late season losses at UNT didn't help, but Texas likes Aston for a lot of reasons, and her time at Charlotte and UNT gave her just enough on her resume to make her a viable choice. As far as CP's comment about the Texas-UNT game is concerned, I think she was just pointing out they played us tougher than might have been expected based on the respective rosters. Now I hardly think that matters in terms of Karen's hire, but it's one of those nice things you say during an introductory press conference.
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04/04/12 02:55 PM
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We might be saying the same thing.
Plonsky had zeroed in on Aston from the get-go, and she established requirements in the job posting that fit Aston's resume. She clearly didn't state "10 years head coaching experience at a D-1 school", or "NCAA tournament wins".
And, she said what she could at the presser to justify the hiring.
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overseasbbfan1 1000+ posts
04/04/12 03:21 PM
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Aston may have been zeroed in on, but I don't think you can say this was solely CP's decision. As far as I know there is a committee, and in particular with respect to Aston, it would probably best be characterized as a Texas decision. Meaning that she has long term relationships here, with a lot of people, and I believe she even thanked Deloss during the press conference. So Dodds, Conradt, Plonsky and likely others were involved in this decision. And obviously they worked with her for a long time, and know her capabilities better than anyone. None of that is to say there aren't other coaches who would have been as good, or better choices, or successful here, but (as has been pointed out) none of us knows who was interested, or even available. And as I've said many times, I believe the team we have in place is going to be very successful the next several years. And I believe that would be the case no matter who was at the helm; Karen, Gail or someone else altogether. I know injuries hurt us this year, but I think we're going to be a good team next year, and championship caliber in 2013-14. That may seem like a bold statement, but I'm sticking to it; I expect us to make a Final Four or better during the 2013-14 season, assuming that everyone remains healthy, and the roster stays in tact. I guess we'll have to wait a while to see if I'm right (though I'm certain there will be someone who digs up this old thread and bumps it up if I'm not!).
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04/04/12 04:50 PM
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though I'm certain there will someone who digs up this old thread and bumps it up if I'm not!)
you better believe it. I'm like the energizer bunny...keeps going and going.
But I do like Coach Aston so this will be a new era for Seattle as well.
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04/04/12 04:57 PM
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Considering that Karen went 15-16 with much of the same talent that had only won FIVE games the season before and had not won more than 14 games in the previous five years (to include two other seasons with single-digit win totals), 15-16 isn't a bad record. To me, that says she got more performance out of the same players than did her predecessor...certainly something we need her to do HERE next season.
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Remember - the ugliest girl in the class is still the ugliest girl in the class no matter how much money daddy has.
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04/04/12 09:12 PM
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If its a no name Empress n Imani bail
They have both stated they are HERE next year, Imani says she is "excited" to meet her new Coach...
We can speculate and ruminate till the Cows come home, but we will not truly know how we are going to roll for at least 7 months...
I like to remain positive..I think good things are coming and I thought that before GG resigned, and I still think it....we are getting back ones that could have made a difference this year, and adding some that will be a great addition....Karen is more than competent to lead us in the direction we were already going...
"Happiness will never come to those who fail to appreciate what they already have."
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txtreefan 25+ posts
04/04/12 09:59 PM
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I am going to be a glass half full guy here. Aston is coming. There is no point in whining. On the plus side - so far there have been no transfers, and the big recruits for next year - Davenport and Stafford look like they are sticking. That is a very good sign.
On the down side, I can think of at least 10 coaches with superior resumes, who should have, at least, been invited to campus, so Texas has an old white girl network hire. I think her recruiting prowess is way overblown. Elite recruiting these days is a national business. She was at Texas at a fluke peak, at Baylor the year after their first national championship. She recruited no-one who would start at Texas at either UNC Charlotte or UNT. As a head coach, she lost the only NCAA game, her team played in. As a student of Conradt, it is unlikely she can coach offense. She needs to recruit shooters and a really great point guard. Peoples looked OK but not great in the few games she played last year. I hope Davenport is better. Fussell is a great SG, but would be limited playing the point.
On paper this is a very weak hire. IN, IL and Auburn all hired much better and proven coaches this year.
But games are won on the hardwood, not on paper, and Aston has the right intangibles. She needs to win to keep her job. She is inheriting good talent, and she looks tough.
I am hoping against hope that she can maintain the Texas standard of the last 10 years, around 50/50 in the big 12 and a tournament bid nearly every year. This is not remotely a return to greatness hire, folks. It's a let's remain respectable and get lucky every now and then hire.
I will renew the season tickets and cheer for the players, believing they deserve better, but it is what it is, and I will be patient, hoping that Aston will prove me wrong, but I am not seeing any evidence that that is a possibility, except for the loyalty of current and future players to the program.
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04/04/12 11:23 PM
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If that's your "glass half full" post, I'd hate to catch you on a day you're down. That's a pretty good job of damning with faint praise.
"Where is the church. Who took the steeple. Religion's in the hands of some crazy ass people." (The gospel according to Jimmy Buffett)
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I thought it would be interesting to look back and see how much our thoughts and opinions had changed collectively before the season starts. And I know that I for one am extremely pleased with where we are thus far. And right now Im cautiously optimistic because although I feel like the program is in a totally different (and better) place, I know that we have yet to play a game. I am most impressed by the traction that has been created on the recruiting trail and just the general buzz thats around the program right now. I dont think that coach G ever had that, even during the teams brief stint in the top 10. Do I still think she could've been successful here? Absolutely, but thats another discussion for another place. Bottom line, for the time being I would in fact call this a "Homerun" hire. Of course that cant be validated until we start seeing the W-L column, but I love the way we're headed.
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DINO22 500+ posts
09/21/12 04:32 PM
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That staff is doing a good job recruiting!
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I think the future looks very bright! We've hit some home runs with staff and recruiting. Fan and community engagement is wonderful. This year may still be tough...we've still got players with old injuries & we've got a lot of new players, but I have no doubt that the coaching staff will have them motivated, conditioned and ready to run through a wall. That is what Karen has done wherever she has been. Can't wait to watch the team show up ready to Hook 'em!
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cynt 500+ posts
09/23/12 01:20 PM
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Imani and Davenport didn't bail which pleases me. The recruiting seems to be running well but I'm scratching my head on this recruiting. They hire Anston, she hires an AAU coach and now we start getting all these recruits.
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utfannforlife 250+ posts
09/24/12 10:43 AM
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No need to scratch your head, what Karen has done is very legal, and makes a ton of sense. I remember reading in an article recently that she was also the driving force behind Mulkey doing this at Baylor. I've been waiting for this to happen in the women's game, as it has been happening for the men for quite some time. These recruits are kids, more often than not kids want to play for someone the recognize. Whether that's someone the recognize from tv such as Geno or Kim, or someone that they recognized from playing against all summer in AAU. And not only that, George actually coached 5 of our highly touted recruits personally. So that makes perfect sense to me.
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Seattle4UT 1000+ posts
09/24/12 05:41 PM
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Do I still think she could've been successful here? Absolutely, but thats another discussion for another place.
5 years IMHO was about the right time to assess performance. Just be thankful a new era is born for Texas. Texas shouldn't have to wait 10 years to get past the 2nd round.
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cynt 500+ posts
09/26/12 10:03 AM
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utfannforlife, I wasn't thinking anything illegal. I was thinking if all we had to do was to hire a AAU coach why didn't we do it sooner. If that was the connection we needed why did it take so long for someone to see it and do something about it. I resolve issues for a living and if the answer was AAU coach why did it take so long to get to the answer. That's all I've been thinking thru the recruiting process.
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DINO22 500+ posts
09/26/12 04:15 PM
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Because for some reason.I think they felt GG was better!
But K.Aston is showing them the Texas 2 Step.
Hookem'
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AustinBoston 25+ posts
09/27/12 11:56 AM
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Some men's BB programs have hired AAU/high school coaches (I think Kansas State was one) who have strong ties to players who signed with the school that hired those coaches. I remember some people on this board complaining about it.
So, did Aston hire George because he could bring the players or because he was a good coach? Or both? Or does it matter? Would she have hired him if he couldn't bring the players? Is his usefulness over after those players graduate? OK, the last question is somewhat cynical.
In men's ball, the issue wasn't the school hiring the coach, it was the funny business that sometimes followed the hire. Many of those hires and subsequent player commitments were perfectly legal, but some weren't. I can't remember how much the NCAA investigated and proved, but there were various allegations.
Women's BB has not degenerated to the degree that men's has, but I read more and more about how some of these AAU issues are being raised in women's BB. One would presume that everything is OK with this situation. However, I must say that when I first read about how many players committed that he had coached, my first thought was about some of the funny business that seemed to happen at other schools. Frankly, I have my doubts about how things have been done with Mulkey at Baylor...but that's just me.
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utfannforlife 250+ posts
09/27/12 04:12 PM
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Well I certainly know that everything that has happened within our program was 100% legal. We brought in someone who had ties to some great athletes and they wanted to continue to play under him, nothing improper. Nor was anything done improper at Baylor w/ the hiring of Damion. Now I cannot speak on the recruting of Griner, but I know that for the most part things were on the up and up w/ all of the other players.
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utfannforlife 250+ posts
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Oh and Cynt, to answer your question; I think GG was a bit oblivious as to how things worked her in Texas, and I also think that EVERYONE over estimated how much her name would carry on the recruiting trail. Plus coaches like GW on the recruiting circuit dont come along too often. I cant think of another instance other than DFW Elite where a coach has a roster full of ELITE D-1 prospects. And lets not forget his ties to the #2 players in the nation for 2014 in Brianna Tuner which landing her alone would make his hiring worth while. I've seen her in person, she's THAT GOOD!
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ViperHorn 2500+ posts
09/28/12 07:41 AM
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So, did Aston hire George because he could bring the players or because he was a good coach
There is a reason there are AAU coaches and College head coaches. College head coaches hire AAU coaches for their contacts; not their coaching ability (or lack there of).
This issue is totally out of control on both the men's and women's sides.
Remember - the ugliest girl in the class is still the ugliest girl in the class no matter how much money daddy has.
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UTExinPDX 1000+ posts
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I think GG was a bit oblivious as to how things worked her in Texas, and I also think that EVERYONE over estimated how much her name would carry on the recruiting trail.
I think you may be on to something here utfann. I despise Duke (I was raised in OK and UNC was my dream school because I have always been a huge Tar Heel basketball fan. My parents wouldn't allow me to go that far away from home but I was allowed to go to UT because I had an older sister who lived in Lakeway.), but you have to believe a recruit visiting the school on game day gets really hyped about the environment inside the gym (I wish UT students would get crazy like the Dukies). Not to mention the top notch education. This does not take away the fact that Coach G had great success while she was at Duke. I think Duke sells itself to recruits very well.
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