utfannforlife
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04/02/12 12:02 PM
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Has released Swimming coach Kim Brackin from her duties. So for all of the naysayers that say she hangs on to coaches too long, take note of this. This coach was fired for finishing 9th in the national meet and second in the conference last season. Dont tell me that Texas doesnt have certain expectations. This marks the 3rd change in the Dept in as many months, 2 of the coaches being fired. Also to anyone who says our womens program has "fallen" so much, I'd like to point out that we are currently tied for 7th in the Capitol one cup, the only prize that includes the end of the year finish of all of the womens and mens team sports. I believe we are also the only b12 program in the top 10.
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Texanne
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04/02/12 12:08 PM
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FYI. the Horns are 7th on the women's side and 25th on the men's.
aggy, on the other hand, is 27th on the women's side and tied for 57th on the men's.
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
-- Samuel Johnson
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overseasbbfan1
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04/02/12 12:14 PM
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I agree, utfann. I think Plonsky is an amazing AD, and watching how she handled the Goestenkors resignation press conference only reaffirmed those sentiments. I have the utmost respect for how she conducts herself; she is eloquent, professional, and an excellent representative both for the University, and for women's athletics in particular.
And, as much as I like - and support - most of our coaches, I think this was absolutely the correct decision. There were clearly some serious problems with our women's swimming program, and performances, and it was equally apparent things were heading downhill fast. A tough call, and I certainly wish Brackin the best in her future endeavors, but the right one nonetheless.
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Moooooo
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04/02/12 12:48 PM
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I'll be curious to hear what Plonsky has to say at the next couple of press conferences.
As I've noted before, the soccer coach she hired from Tennessee has zero ties/connections to Texas (on the surface).
But, the hoops coach is hired BECAUSE she has ties to Texas?
Then, we'll see how she spins the criteria for why the next women's swimming coach is hired . . .
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overseasbbfan1
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04/02/12 03:30 PM
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I wonder who we'll be looking at for the open position. It seems doubtful any of the big, or established names would be looking to make a change, but if we could get someone like the Cal coach that would be huge. If not I was wondering about the Missouri coach, Greg Rhodenbaugh, he seems to have done pretty great things in the short time he's been there. At the 2010 NCAA meet, just before he took over, the Tigers didn't score a single point. His first year they finished in the middle of the pack, in 23rd, and at the recent meet they were 14th in the final teams standings. And they had three swimmers in A finals and another two in B finals, and one of their relays also made an A final. That's a big turnaround in a short period of time. His bio says he was a top assistant at AZ when they won a NC, and apparently he was HC for just a year at SMU in the late 80's (his alma mater so he's lived in Texas); the bio also says he was co-SWC coach of the year during his one season at SMU. I don't know anything else about him, or if he's even a possibility, but I have been impressed with his results at MU.
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mb227
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04/02/12 03:51 PM
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In reply to:
As I've noted before, the soccer coach she hired from Tennessee has zero ties/connections to Texas (on the surface).
But, the hoops coach is hired BECAUSE she has ties to Texas?
I would opine that ties to Texas for soccer is nowhere near as big a deal as it would be for some other sports. Texas has never, to the best of my knowledge, ever been anything that some would consider a hotbed for soccer talent. Some States simply produce better talent in certain sports (as a good example, softball was very heavy in terms of West Coast talent not that many years ago).
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Then, we'll see how she spins the criteria for why the next women's swimming coach is hired . . .
are there as many regionalized differences to swimming? Or is that a sport that comes down more to specific training techniques? Not being anyone who ever followed competitive swimming, I honestly don't know...which makes it even more difficult to gauge what goes into recruiting for D1 swimming programs. But if regionalized contacts are not as significant for that program as with, for example our WBB program, then the expected criterion for a coach would certainly be something different than with the Aston hire.
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overseasbbfan1
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04/02/12 04:07 PM
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In reply to:
are there as many regionalized differences to swimming? Or is that a sport that comes down more to specific training techniques? Not being anyone who ever followed competitive swimming, I honestly don't know...which makes it even more difficult to gauge what goes into recruiting for D1 swimming programs. But if regionalized contacts are not as significant for that program as with, for example our WBB program, then the expected criterion for a coach would certainly be something different than with the Aston hire.
That makes sense. It does seem that a lot of the top swimming talent, and recruits consistently go to a relatively small number of programs each year, which all seem to be spread out geographically. I think swimming is one of those sports where the coach and program play a much bigger role than where the school is located. Of course, if you're trying to decide between a handful of top programs, I would guess location might come into play as a secondary consideration. But hey, all other things being relatively equal, Austin is always going to be at the top of the list in that respect!
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ViperHorn
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04/02/12 05:01 PM
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In reply to:
I think Plonsky is an amazing AD
A rock could make better athletic and administrative decisions.
She has completely failed with the LHN. Her "golden" hire oversaw a regression in the WBB program. It took to long for her to release the soccer and swimming coaches, and she will not pull the trigger on the softball coach.
Golf seemingly has stabilized, and track is making a comeback.
IMHO, the goals for all Texas athletic endevors should be (in order):
- Conference Chanpionship
- National Championship
- Individual Championship
At times people seemingly slide back into the double standard - criticize the men's program with full gusto, but hold off on the women's program so you will not hurt someone's feelings. If Texas is providing the funding, winning with dignity is the only goal. If that goal is not being met, concerns should be shared.
Remember - the ugliest girl in the class is still the ugliest girl in the class no matter how much money daddy has.
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outlookdude
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04/02/12 05:17 PM
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In reply to:
She has completely failed with the LHN. Her "golden" hire oversaw a regression in the WBB program. It took to long for her to release the soccer and swimming coaches, and she will not pull the trigger on the softball coach.
When it comes to CP I have no dog in this hunt. But, there are some things wrong here…..
The LHN is not all on CP. To suggest that is so is silly. Involved yes…… But, what is the failure. The deal brought millions of dollars to the university. The administration got more than anyone could have hoped for TV rights. There is a failure so far, but that is on ESPN.
And, a regression in WBB? The last five years certainly did not meet the expectations that followed a big name hire. But, let’s not rewrite history. WBB failed to reach the NCAA tournament 2 straight years before Coach G. That is not a regression.
Softball? I’ve had questions in the past about softball. But, they are currently 26-2 and ranked #6 in the country. Seems a funny time to bring that up.
Like I said, I’m as neutral as they come on CP. I wish more people could see LHN. I want more from WBB. I wanted more success sooner from softball. But, some of that goes beyond hyperbole.
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Moooooo
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04/02/12 05:54 PM
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mb,
Houston and DFW are huge hotbeds for high school and club soccer. Check the rosters of UNC, Stanford, UCLA, and Notre Dame, and you'll see players from Texas.
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overseasbbfan1
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04/02/12 06:01 PM
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There have been a lot of great soccer players come out of Texas, and actually Petrucelli did a good of recruiting many of them. Unfortunately, that didn't translate into consistent results, which is - of course - why he's no longer the HC.
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Seattle4UT
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04/02/12 06:28 PM
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If anything I wish cp got a new face...annoying to look at! 
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LakeErieHorn
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04/02/12 07:11 PM
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I am on the verge of changing my opinion of Plonsky. 3 in one year! UT pays big, and we should want to win big. She suddenly seems to get this. Better late than never.
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ViperHorn
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04/02/12 07:45 PM
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In reply to:
The LHN is not all on CP.
She is in charge of the LHN per Dodds. Her playing understanding buddy-buddy with ESPN and IMG for personal gain is the issue.
The softball coach could not win one NC with the best pitcher to ever grace the circle. She should have been fired after the last out of Cat's last game. Since Cat left great regular seasons, horrible post-seasons.
Remember - the ugliest girl in the class is still the ugliest girl in the class no matter how much money daddy has.
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Branyon
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04/02/12 08:08 PM
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"IMHO, the goals for all Texas athletic endeavors should be (in order):
- Conference Chanpionship
- National Championship
- Individual Championship"
This a good start, except reverse the first and second if you are speaking of goals.
If we are competitive for the NC, we will be competitive for conference titles. Granted, in some sports like swimming and track a school can take the quantity over quality approach as ATM and Nebraska did in those sports, but that approach will not always win NCs (it did for ATM track because they had both).
The fact is that despite its standing in various directors' cup or other overall ratings, the Texas athletic department in this century is not producing NC final four competitors commensurate with its resources, and part of the responsibility lies with the ADs who do not demand nationally competitive teams.
I think Baylor has as many women's NCs since 2000 as does Texas. That should not be.
CP might be waking up because someone at ESPN and UT finally figured out that no one wants to pay to watch teams which are not competitive in conference, let alone nationally.
Who wants to watch a women's track team that finishes in fourth or fifth place in the Big 12 or a basketball team that finishes at .500 or worse in conference?
Edited by Branyon (04/02/12 08:15 PM)
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