utfannforlife
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04/09/12 10:40 AM
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Baylor Mens and WBB recruiting violations
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Well I guess even some programs at the top take shortcuts every now and again.The Link
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txex86
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04/09/12 10:57 AM
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During Baylor's 2007 women's basketball elite camp, members of the coaching staff spoke with the Griners about the basketball program, academic requirements and the school in general both before and after the camp -- a violation of NCAA rules. Also, during the spring and summer of 2008, Mulkey had impermissible contact with Griner's father when the coach and parent sat by one another at various AAU games and discussed what Brittney's experience would be like at Baylor.
It would seem that the bolded text above would rise to more than just a "shortcut."
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Press
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04/09/12 12:06 PM
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Baylor cheat? NEVER!! 
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utfannforlife
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04/09/12 01:24 PM
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Well it's not as major a violation as it may appear because I'm sure it will be phrased as two parents talking. There's a fine line they have to walk, but coaches have kids too and when those kids play sports they sit in the stands and talk to other parents we can't expect them to be mute. Is it still a violation? Absolutely, but I wouldn't say Kim went out of her way to cheat in that instance.
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txex86
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04/09/12 04:29 PM
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There's a fine line they have to walk, but coaches have kids too and when those kids play sports they sit in the stands and talk to other parents we can't expect them to be mute. Is it still a violation? Absolutely, but I wouldn't say Kim went out of her way to cheat in that instance.
Kim knew the rules, did she not, regarding parental/coach contact during certain times of the year? And, of all the AAU club teams in Texas, Mulkey's daughter just happened to play on the same team as Griner that summer? Coincidences abound.
Regardless, Mulkey knew the rules and broke them anyway because she wanted to ensure BG was not recruited away from BU. Mulkey never does anything she doesn't mean to do. This is not an "oops" moment of lack of judgement; rather it is an "oops" moment I was caught. Couple this with the over 400 telephone calls/text messages made by Mulkey and her staff that violated NCAA rules, one can logically and reasonably conclude she and her staff intentionally cheated.
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JohnnyYuma
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04/09/12 04:39 PM
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Re: Baylor Mens and WBB recruiting violations
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What was Ou's penalty for sampson's phone "mishaps"??? Of course, Sampson goes to IU, does the same thing and gets canned. IU was surprised they hired Sampson and got Sampson??????
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OrangeForLife
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04/09/12 06:19 PM
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The NCAA's probe of Baylor began in October 2008, when women's basketball player of the year Griner, then a high school senior, and her father, Ray, reported information concerning their contacts with members of the women's basketball staff that were potentially impermissible.
This is the part that I find very interesting. The contact at camps at AAU games & camp isn't going to amount to anything. They should know better but it's the text's that are going to get them in big-time trouble. Just ask OU. Also, if Griner reported this to the NCAA in 2008 why are we just hearing about this now?
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Rexy
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04/09/12 06:35 PM
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There's another issue here, Baylor is still on probation or just off probation from the Mens BB coaches fiasco a few years ago. So, these new violations on the heels of or during a probationary period, is really not good news for Baylor and what their NCAA penalties might be. However, I do not think they will get much more from the NCAA, other than their self imposed penalties.
Edited by Rexy (04/09/12 07:55 PM)
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txex86
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04/09/12 08:01 PM
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Interesting post from the UConn board by a poster named HelloKitty summarizing some of Mulkey's alleged behavior during the time Griner and Mulkey's daughter were teammates in AAU summer play.
Boneyard BU Discussion
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BabHorn
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04/09/12 10:19 PM
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From my understanding of reading the article, the talking during the AAU games was not a typical parent to parent type but a coach talking to a recruit's parent what the recruit could expect from coming to Baylor such coaching, expectations, etc. Not your typical parent and parent talk and prohibited by the NCAA. Couple that with the over 1200 excessive contacts (calls and texts between both MBB & WBB) and that's a MAJOR violation. You can't tell me that a head coach for as long as Mulkey was at the time did not knwo the rules.
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basketsofhorns
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04/10/12 07:16 AM
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Another example of the side effects of the win, win, win mentality. No room for letting the great player slip away. Can TEXAS fans learn a lesson from this?
I'm amazed that a university which suffered through the DEATH of a player at the hands of another person affiliated with their men's basketball program (former player? I can't remember)in 2003 doesn't understand the reasons there are RULES. Rules protect these vulnerable kids. I keep thinking about KM's daughter and how she must be feeling in the midst of all this. I certainly hope she has a healthy dose of her mother's style of self esteem and high self confidence.
Hook 'em Horns
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majorwhiteapples
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04/10/12 08:22 AM
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Be careful about casting stones, our new Women's BB coach was in Waco during 2006-2007........
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notanative
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04/10/12 09:06 AM
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...our new Women's BB coach was in Waco during 2006-2007...
This is true, and advises caution.
This situation at Baylor also speaks volumes at high volume to those posting that we shoud go after Mulkey to replace GG. I have to assume that it's not unlikely that CP and others perhaps had wind of this when the searching began. AND, we can hope that Aston was targeted because she is clean.
It doesn't take all kinds; it's just that there are all kinds.
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Seattle4UT
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04/10/12 10:04 AM
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This may be cause for concern. Echoing Plonsky's statement about integrity and doing the right thing, it might behoove Coach A to disclose any information that may be harmful to her and/or deemed inappropriate to the University. Guess this is a wait and see approach on how this situation unfolds.
Hmmm.
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BabHorn
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04/10/12 11:18 AM
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and reading the story, those contacts took place the summer of 2007,presumably after Karen had left for her first head coaching job. Still, it's a pretty tight timeline.
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majorwhiteapples
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04/10/12 11:24 AM
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Let's err on the side of caution wth the Baylor situation, and make sure that all of our current and new Women's coaches know the rules backwards and forwards.
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lhbruleshalftime
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04/10/12 11:57 AM
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True, MWA, and we have much more at stake financially than the Wacoans do. If we can't win within the NCAA rules with our resources, no one can.
"No thank you; 15 is my limit on schnitzengruben" - Black Bart
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BBV_Horn
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04/10/12 02:21 PM
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Regardless, Mulkey knew the rules and broke them anyway because she wanted to ensure BG was not recruited away from BU. Mulkey never does anything she doesn't mean to do. This is not an "oops" moment of lack of judgement; rather it is an "oops" moment I was caught.
EXACTLY....
Do y'all recall the beef Mulkey and Pokey Chatman got into? I believe It was over this same thing...Pokey was mad that Kim was poaching players illegally...apparently, the Griner case is NOT new for Mulkey....
UT would not have EVER even considered Mulkey as Coach here, not in a million years...she just does not represent the class that we have come to expect...is she a winner? Yes... A good coach?..undoubtedly...But does she cheat?...Apparently...
(to say nothing of her histrionic, drama-queen court behavior)
"Happiness will never come to those who fail to appreciate what they already have."
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mamaxaos
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04/11/12 02:37 AM
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Re: Baylor Mens and WBB recruiting violations
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I remember the snit with Chatman but I didn't think it was about poaching players. I was thinking about it during the Final 4 when it seemed Kim was so much calmer than in previous years. Guess it is easier to be a little above it all when you have both Britney and Sims!
It was the tiff between Pat Summitt and Geno that was over Geno poaching.
Anyway the altercation Mulkey had with Chatman played out on tape, perhaps in after game interviews? Seems Pokey refused to engage but Kim was next to apoplectic. I haven't been able to find a clip but probably someone with greater search skills will.
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txex86
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04/11/12 06:12 AM
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The incident between Pokey and Mulkey was over the attempted poaching of Allison Hightower by Mulkey.
Pokey v. Mulkey
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