HornHuskerDad 5000+ posts
04/10/12 12:04 PM
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Enlighten us, Perham - exactly what is the difference between "racially targeted" and "racist?"
Still waiting for your enlightening response, Perham.
HHD
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IvanDiabloHorn 250+ posts
04/10/12 01:41 PM
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It would only not be racist if it is okay for a white candidate to speak directly to whites in the same manner, bringing up points such as the much higher casualties white Americans have suffered than other races in every war fought by the USA, the greater amount of the country's tax base paid by the white race than other races and how much better whites do as a race on intellegence tests than other races.
If not, then yeah it is a racist message.
Edited by IvanDiabloHorn (04/10/12 01:44 PM)
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majorwhiteapples 5000+ posts
04/10/12 02:25 PM
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That makes sense, I guess the second time around would not be as historic as the first.
Wouldn't the same be true for those white votes that voted for Obama just because he was black and they wanted to be part of something historic?
For the first time ever we had over 50 million votes for both candidates, if was by far and away the largest turn out ever.
I think this will be a more interesting discussion after we see the demographic results after the 2012 election.
hmmm
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ShinerTX 1000+ posts
04/10/12 02:28 PM
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He only makes this video if he has information that his base is ticked off.
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majorwhiteapples 5000+ posts
04/10/12 02:39 PM
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or as I think they were pointing out lethargic.
I am not sure I will go to the polls and vote in November...... I will be voting in the Texas Republican Race for Cruz, Gingrich and anybody running against Dr. Burgess!!!!!
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NEWDOC2002 2500+ posts
04/10/12 02:55 PM
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anybody running against Dr. Burgess
I don't have a dog in that hunt but what is wrong with Burgess?
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dheiman 500+ posts
04/10/12 03:14 PM
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Didn't 99.99999999999999999% of African Americans who voted, vote for him last time?
It was only 95%, geez let's not exaggerate the facts here.
Life's certainties: Death, Taxes and OU sucks.
Get your gear at choke-lahoma.com
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Horn6721 5000+ posts
04/10/12 03:34 PM
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uh
Only 95%?
I guess there are more dominants than anyone thought.
As had been pointed out this kind of call for blacks to vote for the brutha BO does signal unease in BO's camp, maybe not necessarily the worry that Smart African Americans will not vote for BO this time but that Bo will lose some of the white guilt.
It is still an offensive ad.
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buckhorn 2500+ posts
04/10/12 04:10 PM
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Ha.
Ha ha.
Not racist.
Responding to race's place in politics, especially in the self-identification of a major portion of his constituency? Yes.
A double standard is not racist, or necessarily inappropriate. The grasp some of you have of the concepts of race and racism is child like. So facile and unaware.
I think the assumption that he is trying to get his base going is correct. He does not want African Americans in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida staying home.
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HornHuskerDad 5000+ posts
04/10/12 04:36 PM
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A double standard is not racist, or necessarily inappropriate. The grasp some of you have of the concepts of race and racism is child like. So facile and unaware.
HHD
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ProdigalHorn 500+ posts
04/10/12 04:45 PM
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Ever notice how some posters on here grow their vocabulary as their argument gets weaker?
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Mr. Deez 500+ posts
04/10/12 04:50 PM
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In reply to:
I will be voting in the Texas Republican Race for Cruz, Gingrich and anybody running against Dr. Burgess!!!!!
I'm voting for Cruz and Paul. However, what's the case against Burgess? I prefer his predecessor (Professor Armey), but Burgess has been a solid conservative.
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Satchel 2500+ posts
04/10/12 08:08 PM
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Enlighten us, Perham - exactly what is the difference between "racially targeted" and "racist?" Be sure to get out your micrometer to measure the difference - it may be too small to comprehend otherwise.
Husker Dad, what definition of "racist" are you using for purposes of posing your question?
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HornHuskerDad 5000+ posts
04/10/12 08:42 PM
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^Satch, I'm waiting to hear from Perham. He's the one who tried to make a distinction between "racist" and "racially targeted" and I'd like to see how he defines the difference (if there is a difference).
HHD
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Satchel 2500+ posts
04/10/12 08:43 PM
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Wow.
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bedhead 100+ posts
04/10/12 10:21 PM
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Go ahead and call it racial targeting--the question still remains: If a white man had "racially targeted" "his people" by starting up a "Whites for fill in the blank" and used white insider phrases terms, how you feel about it and what would you be saying?
It is disingenuous to act as if the press and the public wouldn't be tearing the man apart. Pretending otherwise is when some people on the board lose credibility or the potentially open mind of someone like myself.
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buckhorn 2500+ posts
04/11/12 02:06 PM
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No one cares about Italians for Santorum, etc., because Italians are a subset of whiteness and wield a relatively diluted power when they put themselves forward as Italians. They are rightly seen as attempting to rally around a circumscribed set of interests that do not necessarily portend some sort of wider domination.
There would be some hubub about a candidate trying to rally whites as the potential for domination of minority subgroups would be seen as an implicit possibility. At least if you have any sort of sense of history and white power, etc.
Black power has a more nuanced history because, in addition to racist nonsense, there is a broader underpinning to it that involves fighting for equality and access, etc. Those are two different sets of interests, one of which this nation has always punished or marginalized with severity, and the other of which the country has on occasion recognized as laudable, even supportable. Same with Women's rights vs Men's rights, etc.
African Americans are an important voting block for Obama. The Ad is hardly different from a visit to a black community center. Would it be racist of Obama to visit such a place and speak about his version of the Admin's record on and support for black interests? Is the problem that blacks see themselves as having particular interests that are at least in part deeply rooted in their experience as blacks in America?
Blacks, Hispanics, women, gays (I believe) find themselves in a world that labels and circumscribes them. They adopt a certain amount of the logics and socio-cultural practices that are involved with the construct of race. It is hard, if not impossible, not to. They naturally consider themselves to be members of a subgroup of Americans and to share certain interests, though some have multiple self-identifications with subgroups. Blackness is a powerful mark and usually trumps most others for those who wear the mark. Blacks vote liberal because conservatism hasn't been particularly helpful. Whichever party carries that torch gets their vote as a group that share a powerful marker of experience and, therefore, interests. Obama knows they are important to his re-election bid. He is going to target the groups that he feels will support him. Blacks are such a group. If he wants to get their attention, he needs to recognize the group and call them by name. The group identification is based on race. Noting that is not racist, though it is racialized, which is to say connected with race.
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Crockett 1000+ posts
04/11/12 02:54 PM
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Making a targeted ad is "pandering?" Is creating a resume that highlights different experiences for different job applications pandering or talking differently to the CEO and the technical guru? If this kind of stuff pisses you off, you're going to use up all your adrenalin and die young.
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ShinerTX 1000+ posts
04/11/12 03:47 PM
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It doesn't piss me off because I already knew what Obama was. This just further confirms it. He's not my president.
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Namewithheld 2500+ posts
04/11/12 08:22 PM
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In reply to:
Wouldn't the same be true for those white votes that voted for Obama just because he was black and they wanted to be part of something historic?
Remember according to some of the black leadership--------------blacks can't be racist since they don't have power.
"At the end of the day, we want to lead the nation in wins. That's the only stat that matters.." - Manny Diaz the NEW DC at Texas
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